A conversation about race

Jackie Rawlings Riverside California — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:48:17 GMT

Question to all in attendance.

America was founded with a Constitution and basic Christian Values. The problem of race has been discussed since this country was founded. I hope Senator Obama does some more research on Black America because just using Dr. Kings speeches isn't the full story. He doesn't address the thousands of Whites who died for all blacks including himself to have the freedoms we do today. The comments like the ones Obama is speaking that keeps racism alive in America. Now if the truth were told by our Leaders things might change. The youth today don't know the pass by experience on by what's taught. When Freshman Senator Obama address himself as the Black candidate it helped open the door of racism for the racist. Now if only he had known the struggle and sacrifices of those before him and address himself as an American the topic of his color might not had been an issue. But as he was raised overseas and then in Hawaii as an upper income child with no knowledge of what's it was like for African Americans I understand his actions.

If Americans hold themselves to be God's children of all races and religions as taught it's really simple.
All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." As in Occam Razor, God created man/woman thereby were are all from the same. We see God's creations as flowers which come in all colors. We see God's creations of animals that are different. Why wouldn't God make humans in all colors too. This indifference isn't a problem unless you are trained to think of it as a problem. I liken it to two men who have never seen each other and are different colors. To live they must save each other. Are they going to die because of the color of their skin or live? History has shown millions of times when faced with such a decision humans with the love of God in them will join together and live. We saw the attack on 9/11. The planes didn't look to attack a race of Americans the attack was done to all Americans regardless of race, creed or color. People didn't look to help a person because of their color, all reached out to help other Americans. A person isn't born racist their taught. Our current President/V.P. allow and teach racism and that spreads by our Media, Military, schools and all walks of life in America. Children learn first from their parents and then from the world. We have seen more Leaders and Media using racism and sexism then ever before. When you act and teach racism/sexism the society follows that lead.
For those who choose to read and look at the Civil Rights Movement is a perfect example of how well this country can do when all races work together. I was so proud of Thurgood Marshall when he won the case Brown vs Board of Education and honored his fellow attorneys who just happen to be White. Even Dr. King spoke of his Dream of all colors yet people seen to skip that part maybe by choice. Until we accept we are really one people nothing was change.

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Joan Chapman, Cheshire — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:17:36 GMT

Jackie -

Have you read Obama's first book "Dreams from my Father"? Barack was a scholarship child in school in Hawaii,and went to several colleges here in America and later to Law School at Harvard on his own - he and Michelle only recently paid off all those college loans - you can check their financials.

Incidentally one sector of American life seems to be making progress about the races of it's participants. I'm talking about Sports - particularly golf and baseball - think Tiger Woods and Derek Jeter. They are rarely if ever referred to by their 'color' but always by their accomplishments.

Now, that's progress.

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Marpessa Kupendua, Wilmington, Delaware — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:43:15 GMT

What are the panelists' opinions about MSNBC analyst Pat Buchanan's response to the Barack Obama speech on race, entitled, "A Brief for Whitey" which is posted on his blog at http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969. Thank you for your consideration.

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Anna — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:06:54 GMT

Here's my questions for the panel to consider.

What can all of America do to ensure equal opportunities for all men and women and boys and girls regardless of race?

Why don't African American mothers and fathers take a more active stance in education for their children at a national level?

Why don't more African American and Latio parents take a more active stance on crime in America and fight it on a national scale?

Thank you for your thoughts in advance.

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Jen, North Carolina — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:23:16 GMT

My question for the panel:
Why do you think more African American's aren't expecting better for themselves and the next generation? That is how it used to be in this country. If you came here from another planet you would think all blacks are either criminals, basketball players or singers. I know blacks who are lawyers, doctors, politicians, teachers, accountants and business owners. Why don't more young blacks (especially young men) look to these professionals as role models?? Why don't their families hold these professionials up as examples of what you can become? We cannot all become sports or music superstars. It is heartbreaking to see the wasted potential of so many young people.

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Mary Carter, Lexington, Ky — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:14:43 GMT

I need to have a voice that can be heard. I believe more people listen to and believe Brian Williams more that any other reporter. I would like to know how a Humana Medical Policies can get away with picking and choosing cpt codes at random to avoid paying claims for the insured?

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Bob Ihrke, Spokane, Wash. — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:49:29 GMT

Is there any talk of some kind of compensation for our troops who are stopped lossed. I believe this is
an important issue. Our government expects these soldiers to honor their contract, it is only right that the government should also do so. These soldiers
have gone back on another deployment without complaining.

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E Adams, Phoenix, Arizona — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:12:21 GMT

My question for the panel. How can the news and the cable channels justify the demonazation of Reverend Wright? I am white but I could see how unfair it was to show just a few snippets out of 30 years of preaching and to show it over and over and to talk about it over and over. And, it is still going on. Shouldn't someone have shown some of a normal sermon from the Reverend to be a little more balanced? Racism has certainly not gone away. I was appalled by comments from so called news pundits. Some of them didn't seem to have a clue as to how offensive they were.

E Adams, Phoenix, Arizona

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Tony Jackson, Dublin, GA — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:19:12 GMT

I grew up in a small, rural town and cherish the history of my modern day ancestors. However, Gen Y African Americans seemed to think Baby Boomers' attempts to educate them on the struggles our people experienced is simply trying to teach African Americans how to be victims or to look for discrimination. What will it take to turn the minority of people of color to cherish this history...into a majority of people who appreciate and thrive BECAUSE of this history?

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Jose E. Rosa-Suarez, Ellisville, Ms — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:22:25 GMT

We all have forgotten the story of the Civil Right movement. It was not about freeing the color man but, it was about Americans reciving their rights as Americans. There were people of all colors and national origins during this time. (Example) White, Jews, Blacks, Puerto Ricans and others. After the Mechabellian act that kill the dream the memories still alive. Life is not about race but about is being an American and skin color those not difine how much more of an American you are. Thank sincerely yours; Jose E. Rosa-Suarez, Ellisville, Ms.

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Cal Jackson, Jacksonville, FL — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:26:28 GMT

Is there a double standard? African Americans call themselves, niggers, hos, thugs and bitches in the hip hop culture. Does this same culture apply zero tolerance to these images and imitations done by whites on college campuses and office parodies which inadvertently make their way to newscasts and the internet? Are African Americans offended when their creation is perpetuated on the other side of the river by whites?

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David Williamson, Lenexa, KS — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:12:32 GMT

As I read questions like "Why do you think more African American's aren't expecting better for themselves and the next generation?" and "Why don't African American mothers and fathers take a more active stance in education for their children at a national level?" or "Why don't more African American and Latio parents take a more active stance on crime in America and fight it on a national scale?" I am appalled. I am an African American father who has done all of these things. I am not a criminal, I'm nopt particularly good at sports and though I lovce music , I am mor partial to the eagles than 50 cent.

My question is: When is the human race going to grow up? Us vs' Them has not worked for us on an evolutionary scale, yet we insist on contiuing to use an out dated model. We lump people into exclusives groups by asking question why don't they or when will they. How soon until we realize it one race, inclusive. When will We?

Thanks

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mary san antonio texas — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:52:15 GMT

OBAMA and his camp seem to be pushing the race card:i.e. lady getting ticket for an "obffensive" remark "monkeys" to a black parent ms.obamas camp asking for more whites to the front of the bus for pix..obama seems to give alot of praise to his father who deserted him and his mother while his geandma is a "typical" white person yes obama needs to be there

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Patti Tarbet South Bend, Indiana 46614 — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:48:12 GMT

Dear Panel,
I teach special education English and History in South Bend,Indiana. I have to beg my black students every day to come to school. They are smart, but will not acknowledge their responsibility to receive an education.
These kids have more opportunities in our high school than anyone could imagine. My students want to fail and brag about their arrest records, and living at juvenile centers. This year will be my 39th year as a teacher. I have no hope for these students, yet I go every day, and they call me names etc. and put their heads on their desks because they have no bedtime and ride around shooting at other cars all night.

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Monique Liles, Hampton, GA — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:55:52 GMT

I have two questions for the panel: Given the fact that Christian Africans came to America as indentured servants and had their status changed to permanent slavery, and were set apart from White indentured servants to become a permanent underclass; are you surprised that African Americans and other power minority groups are still kept down by racist attitudes that allow the White power structure to maintain illgotten social gains, and what can be done about this problem? A second related question: Since most, if not all gang activity in America, regardless of the race of the members, is predicated upon exclusion from the best society has to offer and is often started as a response to providing for communities that are ignored by the larger society, what can be done to bring this to light and change this situation that has gone on way too long?

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corliss, st.louis,M.O — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:01:40 GMT

if Bush says that he didn't know that gas was almost 4.00 a gallon than why isn't he trying to bring the prices down?

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Monique Liles, Hampton, GA — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:03:11 GMT

More questions for the panel:

Why do people speak of race as a reality? This has been scientifically proven as a myth. The only race of peopl on Earth are Homo Sapiens. Clearly, every belief we have about other "races" is based on stereotypical ignorance and a social design created by the 1% majority that rules this country that allows them to stay in power. Query: If Africans and Caucasian Americans stopped fighting (especially the poor and disenfranchised ones) and started working together what would happen to the power structure in this society? If we really don't get along, why were such drastic measures taken at the inception of our nation to set us apart and at odds from each other? Why were there laws needed to keep us apart as recently as the 1960's? Hmmmm......What role is the media playing in keeping up the illusion that racial groups are and should be enemies? What is the media's agenda? Who does the media represent and work for?

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Nancy Bruni, Brooklyn, NY — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:16:15 GMT

My son attends an elementary school in Brooklyn, where the majority of students are African Americans. Although he has never personally felt any bias; in fact, the opposite, his peers look on to him as one of their own and have never commented on his Chinese/Italian background. However, the parents are quite different. The issue of race is heavily on the minds of the African American parents, their opinions are much like those expressed by Rev. Wright. Their feelings are very real and I can see some reality behind their fears. Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" has obviously not come far enough by both white and black communities. The blame game has to stop and real solutions must happen on basic levels like giving young students more opportunities for employment; family support when there's none; provide skill training; and getting in back to some old fashion values in communities and schools. It's a shame in this land of plenty that are nation's most vulnerable drops out of school and they see no opportunities for their future. Quite a sad state.

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Vicki L. Smith Lupton, MI — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:21:34 GMT

First of all I would like to say that I am a person who enjoys meeting people and becoming friends with people, I am a very out going and caring person. I was raised color blind and continue to raise my son the same. People are not defined by what color their skin is but by who they are and what they do, more over by their honest and following through on what they say. That being said, I am how ever tired of it only being talked about blacks being slaves and blacks straggling to make it. Slavery had no color and was male or female. I have decedents in my family tree that were slaves from Poland and Ukranian. I have struggled very hard as a single parent to raise my child and continue to struggle since I was injured 4.5 years ago while saving a patients life in the waiting room of the Drs. office I worked at. Now my Son and I live on 711.00 dollars a month after me working and achieving 2 college degrees and paying into the system for several years. Lifes struggles do not have a color as well. There are children out there that are trying to survive on their own because they have been abandoned or are placed into the child welfare system, they remain alone and scared everyday and that is not because of the color of their skin, it is because of unfair circumstances that have ben shoved into their lives with out wanting them or asking for them. There are women who are being illegally sold for sex and brought over to the states against their will but they have to do what they are told or they will die and sometimes they die anyway. This has nothing to do with their color of skin it has to do with some sick people out there that only care about making money at someone elses life expense, and this still goes on today. There are children everyday that are exploited and go through a living hell before they are killed and that is not because of their color of skin, again it is because there are sick people out there that think they have the right to pray on innocent children. These are issue that need to be taken care of now because this is still going on now. These topics are not history they are current realities that need attention. There is still slavery to this day also, as in the form of sweat shops to make cheep clothing and then sell for big prices while the poor worker who hasen’t slept or eaten in days maybe gets 1.00 for a weeks work and if you are a female who has a child the child is made to work as well as soon as they get old enough. Not that I send any disrespect to anyone who had a family history of slavery, as I said I have decedents as well that suffered from slavery. But, I think it is time to move on out from the past from long ago and make a change in the current issues I have mentioned that are happening right now. Thank you for your time
Sincerely,
Vicki L. Smith
Lupton, MI

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Debbie Manuel, Virginia — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:45:49 GMT

My question is: If you could give any advice to our youth today on living in a racial free world what would that advice be?

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Peter Bargmann, Dallas, Texas — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:01:40 GMT

Are reparations a viable means of compensating the African-American community for ills its members have had to deal with directly or indirectly resulting from slavery? If so, how would such reparations be computed and distributed?

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Super Jazz — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:11:29 GMT

Obama said, that he was not afraid to talk to people, even if they do not share his point of view. He has said this time and again, yet, we hear the right-winged media, trying to make something out of nothing, when they say, Obama knows people who seem to differ from the views of the so called "mainstream". Isn't this what Obama has been trying to tell us, that we can not be afraid to know others, even if we don't agree with them. In fact, the wise thing to do is open up a dialog with those that we disagree with, in the hopes that one day, they might see a different point of view. If we only associate with those who think like us and look like us, then we can not grow. Not as a people or as a nation. The world is global and it is never going back. We all must learn to get along, even if it means talking to people that we don't like, because at that one point in time, we all benefit, if we are willing to put aside our differences and try and find common ground, in which to dialog a new future, not forgetting the past, but learning from it. At one time, we were enemies with England, but look at us today, we are friends, also, Japan, Germany, and the list goes on. None of this would be, if we hadn't learned to find common ground, and talking to an enemy is one way to pave a course to change. History has shown us that extreme enemies can become friends, but you have to be willing to talk to them and not be afraid to listen, even if you do not agree. Obama, rightly so has not just given speeches on this, he has lived it! Yes, he knows people that are controversal, he also knows countless people that are not, but the right-winged media only yells about those that seem "different". Who would have thought back in the day, that any of those countries would be friends with us, in this day and time. But they are! People, countires, ideas--the next president has to be flexible enough to understand the dynamic of the times, no one in this race for president is better suited for that, than Obama! The ultimate form of warfare, is to take an enemy and make him a friend. Someone very wise once said that and it seems to be true. Students of history are less likely to keep making the same mistake over and over again. Yes we can!

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Renee, Watkinsville, GA — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:43:50 GMT

As a white parent who has adopted an African American I will be slapped periodically with prejudice in the face. However, I couldn't love my daughter more if I gave birth to her and I do live in the south.

She is so tickled to see a black candidate and a woman candidate running for President. I believe her life will be very different than those who came before her.

How can I raise her so that she understands the history of what has come before her but help her realize that race is no longer a barrier to what she can achieve in the future and at the same time educate others who may not be as forward thinking?

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Lisa Hood, Algona, Iowa — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:38:15 GMT

I don't understand why many black Americans seem to blame what happened to their ancestors for what is happening to some today. Seeing people cry over something that happened to one's ancestors is hard to understand. I have a family tree on both my father and mother's side of my family. I have ancestors that were imprisoned and killed for their religious beliefs. I find the history fascinating, but it doesn't make me cry. I realize that humans make mistakes and what we need to focus on is the here and now. We can learn from the past and try to do better. Blaming others doesn't help us move forward in a positive manner. We all know that slavery is wrong. Let's work together to create unity not focus on division anymore.

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Linda Bailey Dothan Alabama — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:38:16 GMT

I am white. I teach at a prdominately black school. I have been here 24 years and I love my students. My heart breaks though, to watch them not taking advantage of the education being offered to them. We beg parents to come to conferences.We send transportation for those who will come. We reward the children for the slightest bit of good behavior or positive attitude because "their home life is not what it needs to be" I'm the P.E.teacher so I teach every child every day. I do every thing I can to help them be successful. All the teachers at this school want the best for these children Less then 5% of our children come from two parent homes and too many chilren are at risk. I teach Bible School at the housing projects every summer and our church does Christmas for 200 children every year. I want to do these things. It's the right thing to do. Some child or a couple of parents a year call me a racist but I know all people are God's children. I do not think that Obama and his church have done a thing for the black community and I have no respect for him at all. I would almost vote for Mrs. Clinton before I would vote for Obama and that would be awful. Thank goodness for two parties.

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Meghan, Memphis, TN — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:40:06 GMT

What are 3 basic things the panelists suggest that a large majority of people could do to improve race relations (for example, inviting another race to their church or their house for dinner)?

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Jane Doe Reno, Nevada — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:46:48 GMT

At which point does the race end? If the purpose of standardized testing is to enhance the educational growth of every child, how are students to be tested in a manner which does not label or ignore a studentsdemographic origins , low income, or cognitive developmental growth. when does theword race end and teaching begin.

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Ann Moss, Miami FL — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:09:12 GMT

Will you all please discuss how one could attend an all white church for YEARS and not question the PASTOR as to why there are not any Black members there.Maybe many would be faced with the decision to stay or leave.

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Katie, Santa Cruz, CA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:56:39 GMT

What is your vision for the future? A "color-blind" society where racial differences are the same as height differences (i.e. just another characteristic, not a stereotype), or one where differences are celebrated without being hindrances? In either case, I think it is important, as MLK did, to be able to describe a "best-case scenario" for race relations in this country. Then the dialog can go forward, with a purpose!

Thank you! I look forward to the discussion!

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Laura, St. Louis, MO — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:48:28 GMT

What are urban public school systems doing to bridge the racial divide in America today?

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Michael Williams, Moorestown, NJ — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:40:37 GMT

I am a white man married to a black woman. We have three daughters all around twenty years of age. I have had several experiences before and during my marriage.
• My parent's and members of their generation were rather racist (on both sides). Several members of my family did not attending the wedding. Friends of my wife's family accused them of "being uppity" by allowing their daughter to marry a white.
• Members of my generation, while curious, were by and large accepting of us. Although we would occasionally experience some with racist attitudes, by and large we have not had many problems although when they occur they are terrible.
• My daughters have had even less problems with their lives and friends.

With this I have two questions.

1. How common is it for blacks to criticize other blacks for "acting white" (excelling in education, interacting with whites, &c.)?
2. Do you think that the changes we wish for will move along only as new generations of people begin to have different experiences and change things or can changes occur within a person and within a generational time span?

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Jim Thyjkeson — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:53:02 GMT

Since the running comments are supposed to be in the context of a question moreso than a opinion, I hereby submit a question. Why is it thaT blacks can't seem to grasp that it was their own that sold them in the first place? The Atlantic slave trade was facilitated by the Yoruba and other powerful tribes on the west coast of Africa, their partners in this venture were the Portugese at first then the Dutch. It is wrong to assume the Scandinavians, Italians, British, French and other Euro-centric countries were also to blame. The Africans traded their own as a way to commence commerce and get rid of what they considered undesirables. This truism has to come home to rest...its not us, but YOU!!!

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Kurt, Plainfield, IL — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:00:16 GMT

How do we teach these race concepts to our children? I hate to be overt about color and race differences because I feel that will accentuate their differences. Is it not enough to teach acceptance, kindness and respect?

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Ben Shachar — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:23:02 GMT

The race situation, in America, will never be resolved by humanity! The hatred for black people,in America, is interwoven into the fabric of this country! Every race, world wide, that has been damaged to the point where reparations was even discussed got an apology and reparations for crimes committed against them! Except black people! Why is that? If you COMPARE the DOCUMENTED FACTS, thier is NO GREATER CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY THAN SLAVERY! Over 100 million Kidnappings! Tortures! Murders! Rapes! Mutilations! Beatings! Hangings! Humiliations! Humans were treated like animals! And the really sick part of it is that they still do not think that any wrong was done and still reparations for blacks is "OUT of the Question!" Why? HATRED for blacks is why! No other reason can be found! The jewish had no problem getting thiers! Asian women prostitues even got reparations for crimes committed against them! Aboriginals in Australia are getting thier due! Everywhere the humans of the world are trying to right themselves with thier past injustices! Everywhere but here! Unfairness is a major trait in the DNA of Blue Blood Leaders in White America. The Blue Blood Leaders of this country still keep slavery alive today! Black schools are inferior to white schools! That is a fact! Check the computer to student ratios! Black areas are different from white areas! This is a fact! Check the ownership to rental ratio! Job gaps between the races are astronomical! Check the income ratio between the white household to average black household! Unemployment ratios! Education! Master degree ratios! Doctorate ratios! Paid tution to scholarship ratios! How much money has the Ivy league colleges made from slave money being used for college funds! The leaders allow to many issues to be swept under the rug! Too many white families have established thier family wealth from slavery! The great great grandchildren of this slave money are going to college and inheriting trust funds and businesses from slave money! While the great great grandchildren of the slaves have what the slaves had, nothing! An American bank admits that it made money from slavery but gets to keep it and now it is swept under the rug! Yet a Swiss bank admits that it had jewish money and property from the Holocaust and not only did they have to give it all up plus interest, they had to apologize and grovel and beg for mercy and forgiveness! Whats the difference? The color of the victims skin! I will bet money that shipping companies that shipped slaves for profit are still shipping cargo for profit! They are accountable! Auctioneer companies are still around! How many can be traced back to auctioning slaves? They are accountable! There are many more businesses that established wealth from free forced labor! Those wages have to be now paid! Many Immigrants came here but how many were kidnapped and forced to come here? How many of you would work for your employer for a lifetime for no money? But the good thing is that the scales will soon be balanced! The Creator does not look good upon unfairness Blue Bloods!

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Lisa V Hicks, Jacksonville, FL — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:56:53 GMT

Questions to the panel. Since, America was basically built on the backs of slaves, why is it justifiable for the government to give money to the Native Americans, but halt when it comes to reparations for African Americans. Secondly, has anyone taken the time to do a comparative study of each one of Billy Graham's and Jeremiah Wright's sermons to see that they may be more alike than different. Whose to say a concrete rose is not the same as a lily in the valley. Lastly, nepotism and cronism exist in every sector of our society, but it is especially prevalent when it comes to race. How can we as a united people eliminate this in the workplace, social sector and the government?

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David Sekula, Indianapolis, Indiana — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:03:24 GMT

My question is about stereotypes. Are stereotypes justified by concrete evidence in this country? If not, where do stereotypes derive from? What, if anything can be done to change negative stereotypes?

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Becky Marquez, Olivia, MN — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:05:19 GMT

What can the panel say to give me hope that our country will eventually move forward in the fight to end both outright and subtle racism? I work in the public school system to work towards a truly integrated environment, and I am beginning to feel that the road is a very long one, indeed.

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Candy M. Slaughter, Phila., PA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:11:12 GMT

To the slave master's family: 1.Do you see your family's prosperity as being a direct result of your "crop" of slaves? 2.In light of the debate on reparations, what do you see as your family's responsibility to make whole those families you destroyed/exploited?

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Bonnig Bowling, Gasquet, CA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:25:43 GMT

This is a fascinating search. I am a white woman with an impressive genealogical research, with references to slave ownership on some branches. I even have a small anecdotal story that gives some insight into the relationship the family had with one slave who chose to stay with my family after emancipation. (If real choice existed then.) I don't think I would ever attempt to search out the black ancestors of this former slave. As a fan of genealogy I know I would want to know this little story if I were them, but as a white woman I couldn't imagine the strength it would take to tell some stranger, "Many years ago my family owned your family and I have a little story..." I think both Brian Wilsons need a round of applause. We have to get past both the guilt and resentment of slavery to embrace the possibility Martin Luther King's Dream, or Obama's dream, or the dream we all hold for America. I look forward to watching and learning what both men can teach me.

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Katie, Carmel Valley, California — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:31:32 GMT

Reading on-line this remarkable, most amazing and courageous story one would want to ask and require answers tonight, to such as; "Why would Reverend Wright have gotten stuck in a kind of time warp from the 50's with some of his more forceful speaking"? This very highly educated man seems to have alot of feelings about the past humiliation, the severe abuse of not "being seen", of black folks feeling less than, of not having been offered the dignity and acknowlegement and freedom we all enjoyed. I would guess "the church" remains a safe place for a therapeutic expression of these feelings, and we should not always be looking at the exact semantics? I would wonder more "why wouldn't" Reverend Wright do this, after such a history, with todays leaders trying to survive and slowly work things out through the generations. Would David A. Wilson and the panel address this please?
I would guess Reverend Wright was on the "right" side of issues and a most positive influence for the 30 plus years he served his community. Thank you so much.

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Billy Bob, Fort Myers, Florida — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:51:35 GMT

My grandparents were born in 1881, and I was fortunate to know them well. Their grandparents, nor anyone else in our familie's past, is there any suggestion of slave ownership. West Tennessee was very segragated when I lived there in the 50s. I admired MLK, Jr.'s bravery, and listened to his message, and was touched & thankful for his responsible American debate.

I do not listen to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, J. Wright, as there messages are divisive, and counter productive--in my view.

Colin Powell, Bill Cosby, Lavar (Reading Rainbow, Barbara Jordan (deceased), and Brian Gumble, & others I don't even think about race when I hear them.

The fact that slavery is a dreadful sin is accepted in America. My family may have had less to do with slavery than some "African-Americans" have. You are not going to lay blame on "Whites", these generations later, and help the young black Americans--or white--or of any shade, rather you will continue to foster a racial division. It is time for the old black generation to let the young move on up based on what they have earned--though they stand on brave, broad shoulders.

How many slave owners are there records of? Not many I bet(to many-yes). How many slaves were first enslaved by Africans before being enslaved by a few plantation owners? Jessie, do you think that only white men went into interior Africa to capture slaves?

The only points about studying slavery is to trace a person roots, or to learn that it should never happen again. But it is in our modern world! What if a slave is not black it is OK--Jesse? I don't think you believe so, but why aren't you dealing with today's issues instead of generations ago. Segeration is still a problen--but not slavery.

Respectfully,
Billy Bob, Florida where votes don't count unlike Chi-town where even the deads' count

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Sue, Chicago, IL — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:08:59 GMT

Does the social-economic factor contribute to the way we treat race in America? Our views and opinions of others are scuplted by what we have been taught, what we experienced, and what we see (i.e. media). It appears that Americans who think logically, and accept or reject a person regardless of race are more apt to be more intellectually educated or have more experience/interactions with other races. It is easy to believe what you see, and if negative depictions are the only images a person views then their natural acceptance or rejection of that image is prejudiced. Look at images of races that are portrayed. If that is the only factor involved in forming an opionion, don't you think that would be biased?

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D.O. — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:21:53 GMT

I am 32 years old. My grandparents' grandparents were slaves. So many people feel that when slavery ended, all was perfect for blacks in America. They forget that decades of Jim Crow followed, which was very real and was felt not only in the South, but in country clubs on the East Coast where they couldn't be members, in Hollywood (where you'd see a black person in the role of a domestic or a porter the majority of time). Discrimination in housing, education, employment, etc. became barriers to the success of many black families over generations, and that has not been magically erased. Strides have been made, but damage has been done. Just as the Japanese were given reparations for being held in internment camps, the African American people need an official federal apology for the systematic oppression and evils of slavery and Jim Crow. The U.S. was built on the backs of enslaved people who were denied the right to be full-fledged humans or citizens until the Constitution deemed it so. Reparations should come in the form of educational and health provisions, museums, and anti-recidivism programs throughout the country. That is the right and fair thing to do.

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Camille, MS — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:37:58 GMT

The African-American experience is different from every other immigrant to America. The fact that so many people wish to ignore that fact only underlines the difference. A certain segement of society loves to tell African-Americans to get over the past. They can say that because they don't live the consequences of that past every day of their lives. I believe that non-whites can make it through a whole day with out having it pointed out to them they are whatever race they happen to be. I as an African-American over thirty has yet, to have that day. Yes Africans sold Africans, but slavery in Africa was not the same as in America. An African slave could be assimilated into the community, children from that slave were a part of the community; we know that was not the case here. So those who get some comfort from saying Africans are responsible for what happened here in America; your comfort is false.

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Tina Bain Edina, MN — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:58:27 GMT

What advice do you have for white families like ours that have adopted bi-racial or African American children? How do we raise healthy children who respect both their birth heritage/culture and the culture/heritage they will grow up in? Do we have a responsibility to each culture? What is it?

Some things we have done or do include: learning about our children's heritage and culture, participating in transracial groups/organizations, reading books and having books around on African Americans, attending church services in multicultural or African American churches, and last week attending a mission retreat at the John Perkins Foundation in Jackson, Mississippi on racial reconciliation. We understand these things are just the beginning of our life time of learning.

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Ernie Hernandez Sacramento Ca. — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:59:03 GMT

With the exception of Bill Cosby, almost no one in the media blame the parents for anything. If a student does not do well it is the school and lack of funding, if a teen commits a crime it is society who did not provide a better path, if an adult is on welfare it is because the system is broken. Do the parents have no fault? I don't care what color you are, if your parents did not teach you to be a better person you will most likely be just like them.

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Cathy Coleman — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:59:46 GMT

I teach U.S. Social Studies to 8th grade students in a predominantly white school. While we are studying slavery we read, see, and cover text and videos that use the "n" word, as well, as other racial remarks, in recounting the history of the time. I try to teach the students that in a different time this was the terminalogy that was used but in the 21st century it is inappropriate, but they all keep asking me why they have to use it, read it, or hear it. Luckily they are shocked when when do see it and hear it. One of my students is African-American and is offended when he sees it and hears it, and I want to modify my lessons to relieve his frustration. My question is then, is it appropriate to edit history, such as the slave narratives or historic references to racial terms, so that my students do not become offended or should I let 13 and 14 year olds hear, see, and if they read text with these terms in it, read it aloud? Am I sensoring history or am I just making my students more comfortable? What do you think would serve 8th graders that need to get a sense of the time best?

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Cathy scholz — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:02:03 GMT

My question is very serious and I hope you will take it that way. How can we reconcile our differences and eliminate racism and hate when there exists in American today churches like Trinity who believe in Cones Black Liberation Theology, the basis of which is hate of whites, God hates whites, blacks hate whites and whites are responsible for all that has happened to blacks.. without all the rest of the details..this is plain and simple hate and racism..This is the theology that has been practiced by Wright for 30 years and Obama for 20..he mentored under wright all that time..How can anything positive happen unless these kinds of organizations are dismantled in America.. after all it is just like the KKK doctrine in reverse .. are we going backwards???

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Johnny Ward, Pensacola Florida — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:33:29 GMT

Why do some people continue to say "get over it"

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Johnny Ward, Pensacola Florida — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:04:54 GMT

To Billy Bob - You stated that you admired the courage of Martin Luther King Jr. You also stated that you did not listen to Rev. Jackson, Rev. Sharpton, or Rev. Jeremiah Wright. You stated they were devicive. You did admire African Americans such as Colin Powell, Bill Cosby and Barbara Jordan because you did not see race. First of all Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was considered devicive in the 1950's and 1960's also. The African Americans that you admire stand because the doors were kicked open for them. Rev. Jackson and others continue to keep the doors open. There are many succesful African Americans today because they stand on the shoulders who were willing to die for everyones freedom. They are still willing to fight. The African Americans that you named - still could not get a cab at night.

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Johnny Ward, Pensacola Florida — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:09:21 GMT

Tell Sen. McCain to explain the treatment of New Orleans residents - Does he think it was racism?

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Aviva Lee Greensboro NC — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:21:56 GMT

My family identifies as Caucasian. However I identify as multiracial due to appearance and out of respect for one of my ancestors. Increasing evidence points to my great great great grandfather being an enslaved man who was murdered and thrown in the Peedee River for consorting with the overser's wife. Their little girl was then raised as white. My question is this: do you see more honesty on the part of "whites" about our true heritage promoting the healing of race relations?

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Jessica — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:40:31 GMT

My now 20 year old daughter went to public schools in Nashville. She was "color" blind from K-7 at a very ethnically and socio-economically balanced school... and then somewhere mid way thru 8th grade it became evident that struggling against African American female bullies, and Asian click girls that were either super smart or super ahmm Social to be polite.. would be something she would have to put up with. It was even a bias with teachers and principals. It is her contention that she is not the racist, but that they are. Now entering her Junior year of college, her opinion hasn't changed much. It is her observation that these - people of color - push their own agenda and then leave people like her who really care to carry the load, do the work, and get absolutely none of the credit. My question as a parent is how do I help her up out of this frustration without perpetuating the same problem.

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Rev. Jeffrey L. Brown, Boston, MA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:57:57 GMT

Street memorials are a reality on inner city streets. But I see them as an indictment on the black church. Memorials represent an attempt on the part of youth to reach out beyond themselves and connect with something spiritual. But I frequently run into pastors who see street ministry as either a fringe part of their ministries, or non-existent. As agruably the most stable institution we have in our communuty, most churches seem so disconnected to the spectre violence that overwhelms us. How do we reverse the trend, so that churches will view ministry to high-risk youth as a central part of their missions?

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Dr. Melody T. McCloud, GA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:09:07 GMT

Can the media (and many Blacks) please STOP using the phrase "African-American" when referring to native-born Black Americans? I NEVER use the term "African-American." I am an American--A Black American. And yes, I capitalize Black. I didn't come here from another country and become an American. I was BORN here--in America. "African-American" applies to someone who immigrated here (or whose direct parents are African). But Af-Am is a MISNOMER for NATIVE-BORN AMERICAN BLACKS. If you were born in this country, you are an American. Period.
Anthropologically, EVERYONE is from Africa; it's the origin of mankind. But as far back as I can see, my genetic ancestors were American-born. Yes, 400-years ago, my ancestors came from there. yea...but SINCE then, everyone is American-born.
Have Blacks had to fight harder to get the rights we were born with? Yes, but don't cut in half my native-born American rights. Folks need to stop fighting against their own country.
With that, I say many Blacks need to stop rebeling against the American way. And it's not assimilation; it's the way we dress and speak here, here where you were born.
I embrace my country and I KNOW I have had much greater opportunity and wealth in my (American) country than I would've had in Africa.The term 'African-American' does NOT apply to me; I'm an American--a Black American and proud of it.
Leave "African-American" for those who are immigrants: Born in Africa and BECAME American. Native-born Blacks are just that: "Black Americans." Embrace it. Own it and Thrive in it.

AND for comments on Black women imagery, see the link I'm giving, which also on that page, you'll see MY comments from 1992, LONG BEFORE Cosby said anything. http://drmccloud.com/second.php4?id=news

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Rosemary Rodriguez, Newtown, VA — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:30:55 GMT

Can you tell a person's race just by looking at them? I don't think so. Quit trying to put people in your own little box. There is only one race.
The Human Race

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Jack Black, Denver, Co — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:44:20 GMT

Are you going to have a conservative to talk about the negatives of blacks living in European countries? Of course not. More pro-multi-cultism for the masses. The internet is CHOCK FULL of negative stories on race, black on white crime rates, FBI statistics on race, yet Brian Williams is not allowed to talk about such things. Look at all the comments on your screened message board. You'd think 'White Flight' doesnt exist, or doesnt have a reason to exist. You guys have Great censorship skills.

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Heydrich EC WI — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:52:04 GMT

Theres more anti-white racism than any other kind in America today.

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Jennifer Thomas, Largo, FL — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:52:29 GMT

I am glad that this conversation about race is being discussed. It's about time. I recently read The Plexus Agenda by Andre Lewis and it shows how African-Americans view whites. I am white and growing up had little interaction with African-Americans. As a result, I didn't know they felt this way toward whites. I found it interesting to begin to understand what are there fears and if they are baseless. For too long there has been a deep divide between the races and it's about time that we begin to heal that wound by having a conversation on race. I highly recommend that all Americans, black & white, read The Plexus Agenda to get a better understanding or race relations.

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Jon Sanders — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:55:57 GMT

Do you believe that it is acceptable that Pat Buchanon is a regular on this very network, after speaking and writing some of the most racist words I have ever heard, repeatedly?

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Deborah H, Brooklyn, NY — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:56:26 GMT

Wow! As I read the commentaries, I am struck by the defensive responses to the question about race in America. Admittedly by historians, the framers of the Constitution, by striking out key passages in the document made sure Negroes or Blacks were never intended to be viewed or respected as human. I have studied human biology and a human has never ever metamorphosized to property, defined as some thing owned or possesed. White humans selfishly, greedily, deliberately, and willfully justified enslaving another human. To concretize the concept of human as property, an engimatic concept of 3/5 of a black human ruling came about? Please do not compare indentured servitude with slavery. The terms are in no way commensurate. Add to the insult of no defense for America's inexcusable behavior toward sanctioning cruelty and involuntary servitude of a race of people, is the fact that all Americans suffered during every war,especially in the segregated militaries of the Civil War, and all subsequent wars, including the Korean War of the 1950s. Blood was spilled in all wars, especially Black blood. Therefore, responders, do not sound so arrogant and proud. It is only in some 1990's northeastern public school history books do publishers lend 1 page to the 54th Mass Regiment, a segregated unit. Moving on to another reminder....Let me add, three (3) Amendments were written to 1) free Africans from slavery, 2) make Black folks who had been on these United States for almost two centuries "naturalized" when no other race of people had to suffer the indignity of such an Amendment, and 3) Africans (not women) were given the right to vote. Why? White America refused to obey the law of the land. Hmm. Besides, Blacks were just that, the color, not a man in many parts of America. Oh, and for the ignorance of those persons of color who assume the name the master has previously given them, "nigger," let us thank a totally white mogul music industry for pimping ignorance. Certain music was underground music until the major music industry found easy money. Do not castigate the foolish Black who self-effaces him or herself by calling each other nigger. Our stupidity has allowed those who oppressed us to revert to ther term in comfort. in NYC, I hear white people talking about and calling each other "niggas," in a "friendly" way. We shall overcome that soon. Let me add another thought to the audience voice: why hadn't any Supreme Court Justice ever found and rule the odious condition of slavery to be inhumane and a violation against the natural rights of man (James Madison)? Truthfully, the ONLY president that ever took a stand to help free any African was former John Q. Adams. What laws were and are on the books to end lynching? None then, and none today. James Byrd was effectively the last lynching that shamed some folks in Texas. Why did a white woman claim a black man kidnapped her babies, when in fact, she drowned them? It's so easy, that is why. Lastly, why, when blacks speak of the unspeakable shame of racism in America do whites get defensive? Yet, and I caution my audience to receive the next statement in good spirit, doesn't anyone castigate the Jewish people for remembering the pain of their history when the Holocaust is discussed and taught in schools? No one tells this group to "get over it!" They, too, feel America's wrath and prejudice. What is the shame of Obama speaking to who and what he is when everyone can see that he is: A Black man, an African American man, a man who also has been disenfranchised by his country, but a man who forgives the wrongs and can "move one." Look, presidents have talked about Niggers (Wilson, Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy, many mo'). Let me stop, but think: why did we ever need a Civil Rights Act? Only 40 years ago, Dr. King died as hero for the cause of all, but most especially for the oppressed Black huMAN. We are still in a segregated world: churches, communities, jobs, governments, businesses. America: call a spade a spade and stop denying. We have not overcome. Blacks have nothing for which to apologize when the KKK lives today and its members are infiltrated in all wakes of influential American life: economy and community. Don't worry about the Black man. America, clean the mote out your eye. Regarding reparations: the Japanese received theirs, warring countries receive theirs, yet, those against repartations cite "what will they do with the money?" Is that anyone's business? Were the other groups asked that? Okay, here is the pecking order: Native American reparations and African American Reparations. America is no more color-blind than the term implies. A color blind person sees color. A color-blind person has difficulty in discriminating reds, yellows, and greens from one another. There is nothing that says a color-blind person does not see black. He or she does! Let us not worry about if Obama will defend the rights of whites. He of all people know better than to confess that. No white person has ever been demanded to declare loyalty to no one other than America. Let Obama do that. He's got your back, America.

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Shawn Dillard — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:57:33 GMT

I would like to know why we have the BET network, the NAACP, the United Negro College Fund and Black Only Colleges? If I were to start the WET network I would never be allowed on TV, They would never let me start the NAAWP, the United Caucasian College Fund or better yet I would never be allowed to start a white only college. At this time in our history, do you think this double standard does anything to heal America? I for one do not as a Caucasion Male. All should take the first step of faith and be for all Americans.

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Fred,Appleton,Wisconsin — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:13:38 GMT

Why is it such a crime to acknowlege that the white race is the master race? A super race which was able to build white western civilization. There is nothing wrong with that. It's the simple truth.

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Steve, Chicago, IL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:34:17 GMT

Hmmmm..."A Conversation About Race"....Being held at Howard University, Panelists, Tom Joyner, Michael Eric Dyson,Kevin Powell, etc, etc.......Another one sided conversation with more rhetoric getting us nowhere

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Herb Sarasota Florida — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:50:16 GMT

I think a big mistake that the politically correct make is that "everyone is equal". Why do blacks brag about their athletic prowess as a whole and then get offeded about their lack of intellectual prowess? Until race and intelligence is studied honestly, no one can expect a solution. Black leaders always blame the "white establishment" for the failures of black students. I've had to train blacks and whites for job tasks in the past; ny a large margin, it takes more time and repetition to train blacks.

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Sam White, Seattle, WA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:52:05 GMT

At what point will the race-based advantages known as affirmative action be halted?

Do you see affirmative action as an unequal application of entitlement distribution?

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Randolph D. Maryville, TN — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:52:35 GMT

In America we have the freedom to associate with whomever we please. If this this right means anything, than we must have the right to not associate with whomever we wish.

I am a white separatist and do not hate anyone. I love my race and white culture and see no personal benefit in associating with those of other races and ethnicity.

Only want diversity busybodies to leave me alone.

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Rick Watson — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:58:29 GMT

I want honest, non-PC answers to why thousands of white women get raped by blacks every year (no it's not the other way around), why blacks continue to blame white people for almost everything; on that let me quote 2pac "and they say it's the white man I should fear, but it's my own kind doin' all the killin' here" - from the song "only god can judge me now" (which I happen to like btw). I want to know why I am called a "racist" for stating FACTUAL crime statistics that my Puerto Rican and Asia friends all aggree with, because they know all too well that they are much more likely to get robbed/beaten/killed/raped by blacks than whites, and why? Because there are racial differences, thats why. If the people who "celebrate diversity" left their 90%+ white communities and spent a day in some of the places I have partied they would be lucky to come back alive. It's hard to celebrate diversity when you are dead, or had your butt kicked for being white in the cities OUR ancestors built, it the country OUR ancestors built, using science and technology OUR ancestors invented, but I guess the cotten gin is comparable to landing on the moon, or flight, or electricity or any other achievements whites have made. I honestly believe that blacks are at a cultural disadvantage, and if I was black I would be angry if I had to live in the white mans world; it's just not natural to expect/force other races to live together, the world would be a better place if we all lived seperate and could develope as unique and free people of whatever your race may be. Cheers.

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Arin M. Lawrence, New York, NY (by way of Paris) — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:01:53 GMT

For all panel members:
How did the documentary and its aim move or effect you, and what question, if not the repeated "what's wrong with black people" would you ask now in order to either change the perception and reception of the topic of race in America, or in order to move conversations about race in a positive direction?

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George, Tuscaloosa, AL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:11:48 GMT

First of all as a Howard University alumnus, I am glad to see this conversation happening at my alma mater. If Barack Obama were not running for president, Jena 6 had not happened, and Radio Talk host Don Imus not called Rutgers basketball players out of their name, would we as a nation be having as much discussion about race? Do the news events that occur force us to have this discussion or would it be happening anyway?

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Susan Davis, Winter Haven, FL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:23:08 GMT

A woman in the first fifteen minutes said she was angry enough already, and would not want to meet the family that owned her family. I am white, and would like to know from her, or a black person who feels like she does, what can I do. I feel it was a horrible thing that whites did (the whole slavery episode) and I want to know just what we white people can do about it now. I don't mean that sarcastically. I am really asking this. I am totally serious. I do think we ought to make amends somehow, those of us who feel as I do. If even possible in some small way, not as if anything done now could ever make up for the suffering caused by whites in America of the 17 and 1800's. Please respond.

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josephine henderson, mcdonough, georgia — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:24:52 GMT

Every person should examine himself. I am a Christian, and I love people, regardless of Race. I can give you my opinion on a subject, and you may think that I am a Racist, when I am a Realist. I may tell you that I am one of the wealthiest black persons in the World with no money, and you may not believe me. I could blame my not having any money on white people. You may not believe me. I could say white people stole my heritage and inheritance. You may not believe me. You may call me a Racist. One should not depend on another Race to make them who they are. I am a Christian, I believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spriit. All things belong to our Creator. If white people stole my heritage and my inheritance, they don't have to answer to me, and I don't have to mistreat them because of the treasures of this world. Examine yourself, so you won't bring a curse upon your family by not doing what you know is right toward mankind.

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Jennifer Thomas, Largo, FL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:40:11 GMT

After reading The Plexus Agenda by Andre Lewis, which describes the fears and phobias that blacks have toward whites, I want to know what the panel thinks would be a good start to improving the way blacks see themselves in this country.

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Carole Cruz — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:40:52 GMT

How many people in this country today had relatives that owned or directly benefited from slavery? A lot of us who have had ancestors that were/are treated horribly by the upper classes.
Do African American know about all the other nationalities & people, in general, who were exploited in the past. People, for instance, that worked their whole lives underground in mines 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Mexican Americans that picked lettece all day for pennies. Chinese that built the railroads across this country and were treated as slaves. Children that were left to live in the streets and worked as child labor in unsafe jobs in the beginning of the industrial revoluation.

Let's move on and take advantage of the opportunities we have. Some of us will benefit only through our children - but that's the way it's done.

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Mary Ward, Ogden, Utah — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:56:29 GMT

Why is it OK to say 'Black is Beautiful', but not 'White is beautiful'?
Also, why is there never talk about the white slaves, brought to this country by wealthy plantation owners with the promise of freedom that was only delivered when ALL slavery was abolished? That is MY ancestry. My family came as indentured slaves, promised freedom in 7 years, but the plantation owners never fufilled that promise. Is my families slavery history different than black slaves?

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Ronale — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:57:29 GMT

Why isn't there a national conversation of the interracial crime rate and the disparity of the black-on-white crime rate compared to the white-on-black crime rate?

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Anton Berlin Dallas, Texas — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:03:02 GMT

This documentary is moronic. David Wilson seems mainly focused on 'what is owed to him' and has little knowledge of history. Christian religion was a major force behind slavery and not in trying to end it. Slave owners used the bible's teachings to defend the owning of slaves.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Even Jesus approves the beating of slaves.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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DEWEY MCNEAL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:05:15 GMT

THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO EXPRESS MY THOUGHS MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHY IS THE SYSTEM SO AFRAID OF LETTING A GROUP PEOPLE BE FREE DEWEY MCNEAL

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T. Bowman, Lewisville, Tx — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:09:40 GMT

During a county caucus convention(TX), the conversation of Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race came up. A white man stated that at one time he was willing to discuss the issue of race, but didn't want to talk about it anymore. When I asked him why, his immediate response was "Because I am not responsible for slavery, and can't do anything about what happened in the past." I wonder if other whites feel this way, or is this type of answer is just a way to avoid an uncomfortable issue.

My neighbors and I were able to continue the conversation in a friendly manner. As a black woman, I wanted them to have a better understanding of other people whose skin is not the same color, but as Sen. Obama said, we have more in common than we think. Many other citizens have the same concerns regarding the economy, rising unemployment rates, gasoline prices, the war in Iraq,...

I hope to continue the conversation with other citizens who are willing to keep an open mind. Let's work towards a continued discussion on how to move forward for a more united community, state and nation.

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Cecelia, Atlanta, Georgia — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:09:43 GMT

how did we, the indigenous brown/black people of this land become AFRICANS? granted slavery happened, but the import of people from africa was minimal compared to the Indigenouse negro/black people who were already enslaved here, and exported to other lands. I am insulted by this program, i am insulted by the media and black men who continue broadcasting this myth/lie that we are descendents of africans. my question to the panel and young male from the film: why and how long will you perpetuate this very painful untruth?

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Linda M. Williams-Jones, Spanaway, WA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:11:13 GMT

I think racism is bigger than Rev. Wright because whatever he says that makes people uncomfortable there are white counterparts somewhere saying the same thing. It isn't the responsibility of Senator Obama, Rev. Al Sharpton, or David Smith down the street to solve the problem of racism; it's all our responsibility. First, there must be an admission that it still exists and that some people are still denied opportunities because of the color of their skin. To deny this is irresponsible; I might go so far as to say cowardess. It needs to be dealt with so everyone can move forward. I don't want to think that the reason this white couple was served before me is because of race....but it crosses my mind as it does other black people. My question is this...what reason does anyone have to dislike or hate someone because they're black? What is the basis for that reason? Is there someone brave enough to answer this question? Honestly.

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Bonnetta Wynn, Chicago, Illinois — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:11:44 GMT

I applaud you for having the courage to reach into your past and bring it present for all of us to see. This documentary was painful for me. As I am a descendant of slaves, three generations ago, I can remember the stories of my great, great grandmother in her one room school house. Through her stories, I gathered smells and tastes. Through your documentary I gathered visions. This is what was painful, the knowing is one thing but the seeing made it real.

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Marcia Davis — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:22:20 GMT

Do African Americans feel that Christianity is not their true religion being that for many it was introduced to them during slavery? There are those that argue that Christianity was used only as a tool to keep slaves fearful and docile. Some African Americans still have pictures of a white Jesus not only in their minds, but in their churches. Even today, with few exceptions, Christian churches in America remain segregated.

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Renee - Chicago IL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:23:22 GMT

Well, David Wilson x 2 has made prime time. This story has been played out many times across America without much fanfare and with no cameras. We are preparing for our 53 Family reunion which spans over 100 years. Our young children are much more vocal than we were (I will be 40 this year) - and they want to KNOW why some are lighter than others and why some relatives "look" white.

I'm 3 generation college educated, as my family believed that education was the way to success. My MBA is from one of the most prestigious universities in the country. My paternal grandfather's father was a sharecropper, my paternal grandmother's parents were slaves. My maternal great grandparents were slaves. My paternal grandmother - graduated from college and taught school. My mother and father met in college, married and "invested" in their two children.

I'm thankful that I have been to Africa and many other continents and countries in the world. I have a 6 figure job and live in a 7 figure gated community. My paternal grandmother is recognized in the Clinton library for her works to educate black people in Arkansas.

It's all about choices. Is everything just and fair? - No. But with hard work and "each one reach one" - you decide how your life plays out in this country. I watched BET honors the other night. How proud I was. I can go on and on.

The point I want to make is this and it is simple - and I did not coin it - YOU be the change that you want to see in the world. And if you are satisfied, living in ignorance and poverty - there are many folks who can keep you company there.

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T. Bowman, Lewisville, Tx — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:25:23 GMT

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Jane Doe, Gainesville, FL — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:33:37 GMT

How can we move forward with this racial conversation without addressing a national system that still offers privileges to people who are white and continually dehuminizes Black people (i.e. police brutality, incarceration rates, racial disparities on death row)?

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Tiffany Scott, Newark, NJ — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:47:19 GMT

Dear David,
Was it relatively simple getting support for your search and ultimately garnering the attention of MSNBC to produce your story?----The state of New Jersey recently launched a non-profit organization dedicated to increasing participation and appreciation for black arts, history and culture without any funding appropriation from the state. The NJ Black Cultural & Heritage Initiative Foundation was authorized by A1559/S710 and incorporated by the Secretary of State who also serves as the co-chair of the board along with Stedman Graham. Although, it recently launched its new website on February 1, 2008 — I have learned that they are still appealing for funding and support to fully launch its programs & services.—This is a true irony to create something so important but deem it not important enough to sustain.

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Preston Penn Sr — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:48:29 GMT

I have been in the process of searching my ancestors and I am very interested in not only finding out what I am made of but the lineage if any to the Penn's. My last name is Penn which is not very common. I know a little of my history, especially since my family is from Tuskegee and the Daphne, Al area.

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Janet Heaggins, Charlotte, NC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:49:01 GMT

To all that commented that blacks sold their own. Yes, this is true, but what you fail to realize, or just don't want to accept is the unfair treatment we received while in slavery and that we still receive today. Just because someone is sold does not give you the right to rape, murder and treat people worst than dogs. It does not give you the right to belittle them and think that you are more than them because of the color of your skin. Are Asians, Latinos, Hispanics and others who come to America to be employed as domestic workers treated like we were? Has anyone who came over here, sold or not been treated worst than black people? I don't think so!!!! Until black people are treated equally, until the U.S.A. admits and owns up to the wrongdoings of slavery, until we as black people are given a fair and equal playing field, there will never be any peace because there won't be any justice.

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Janet Heaggins, Charlotte, NC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:49:01 GMT

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C. Miller, Camden, New Jersey — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:51:35 GMT

What is often misstated is that "black people were saved by slavery from a life of poverty in Africa". This statement comes from ignorance. Village life in West Africa was not improvished during the time of the slave trade, far from it. This trade in human life crippled the economy of West Africa while it made wealthy those nations who stole this labor force from West Africa. This truth must be told.

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Sue Sabas - Sherman Oaks, Ca. — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:58:27 GMT

I've a senior citizen European-American lady. My pastor, Jack Hayford of The Church on the Way, in VAn Nuys, Ca., has written several books regarding reconcilation of the races. We've been blessed to attend meetings with browns, blacks, reds, yellows and whites. I've stood in prayer, with many black brothers and sisters, asking them to forgive my ancestors for slavery. We have seen healings, and we've had real conversations. There are some Christian pastors that work together, knowing we are all children of Lord Jesus, and He loves us, and wants us to be unified as His body of Christ. Blessings to all of you. There are many who would welcome a fellowship meeting, to embrace and love together. If you want to know more about the many different groups that met together, let me know.

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Pamela Gould, San Anton, TX — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 02:58:37 GMT

I am of mixed race (Black, White, Native American) and I face prejudices/biases often from Blacks and Whites for different reasons--"Why do you talk White? Do you think you're better than us because you're bright?, "You'll get far since you're Black." When will we, as Blacks, accept each other despite the shades of our skin color or level of education so that we can stand united with strength?
How can we move forward and have dialogue between races while being able to handle the tension that arises?

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Paul Mann — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:00:19 GMT

Hi -

1) What are going to do to make sure this discussion is really a discussion rather than a bash Whitey-fest?

2) How will you address Black and or African failure in places like Zimbabawe, South Africa, Somalia, Haiti Brazil and most large US cities? This question becomes relevant when we discuss multiculturalism.

3) How will you address insistences of the one race theory while White women are the most popular women to marry (Tiger Woods Family), approach for mating and rape?

4) How will you address Black crime against Whites?

5) How can reparations really be made for 500 years of slavery with all of the individuals agreeing and then accepting fully the restitution?

6) How will address the failure to produce requirements where Blacks and Latinos don't produce
acceptable crime levels, college and high school completion rates?

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B. Rainsberger, Chillicothe, Ohio — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:04:29 GMT

I do believe it is now a class issue more than a race issue. Those of us in the shrinking middle class don't care, those in the expanding lower class and the upper class seem to thrive on calling attention to race issues.

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Pamela Johnson — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:06:21 GMT

Why can't white people understand that before we can "get-over-that-whole-slavery-thing" it has to be fully addressed, tackled, apologized for. There should have been a sort of Truth and Reconciliation Commission after the Civil War and the end of slavery like there was in South Africa after the legal end of apartheid. It's not too late and tonight is a good start. I'm really enjoying it, especially the younger white guy panelist-he is "da bomb!"

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Pamela Gould, San Anton, TX — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:07:17 GMT

We have to move forward while remembering the past. We cannot get so mired in wanting apologies and reparations for what has happened to our ancestors. If the slave owners could come into the present and apologize then that would be great. Since they are unable to do this, we need to confront the disparities we still have in our society. One of my pet peeves is when newscaters only have Black people on the panel if it is an issue having to do with Blacks. We CAN speak intelligently about issues other than race THANK YOU VERY MUCH. We need to confront the institutional biases still happening in our nation.

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Jim Wetenkamp — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:12:51 GMT

I watched a beautiful and thought provoking documentary. Unfortunately, it then had to deteriorate into a panel full of morons who are more full of themselves than the concept of starting a conversation. Nothing Reverend Wright has ever been portrayed as saying has offended me - in context everything thing he seems to be saying is on the money. And I am a white person who loves Obama and supports him fully. But to advance the whole conversation beyond the great doumentary - get some real people and quit bringing on these people with chips on their shoulder (both sides). Kudos to both David Wilsons and their families.

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Pamela G, San Anton, TX — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:14:16 GMT

I am a school administrator who had to deal with a teacher who wrote up a student for speaking to her with a "Black accent". First of all, I could not believe that I had to explain to this woman that it was offensive for her to do this. I am a Black woman and she is White. Obviously we have a ways to go in dealing with race issues. This woman did thank me for explaining the fact that there is no such thing as a "Black accent" since Black is a skin color. By the way the young lady who was written up to the office is Hispanic.

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Jeff Hoffman, Simpsonville, SC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:22:53 GMT

The question of an apology came up and my question is who is apologizing to whom? I am a 30 year old white man and the bulk of my family tree traces back to the 1880's. That of German and Irish immigrants who came to America to overcome their own struggles. Do I owe an apology to someone?
I see color and always have. I grew up in a small town that had only one black family so it was hard not to notice a difference. I think an issue is that we have to get away from seeing people as black and white as a group, but to see people as individuals regardless of skin color. To say white people owe an apology for the institution of slavery is like saying all black people like rap music. Its basically saying no matter what has happened in our lives or what our upbringing is we have to be grouped by the color of our skin.

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Drew, Springfield, Illinois — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:23:15 GMT

It was mentioned that the atrocity that is our public school system needs to be addressed. From my observations and experience, there is a mood of intimidation if a teacher or administrator in pubic school tries to discipline a student, especially a student of color. In a local city, such an occurance happened, violent actions on school property by some black students, they were disciplined with suspensions, or expelled from school. Jesse Jackson showed up with a busload of activists to intimidate and strongarm the governing bodies into giving in and allowing these students to return to school. Theres a time to take a stand...and there's a time to keep your nose out of the business of a community, unless bias is exposed.

Just twenty years ago, when I was in high school, the assistant principle had his college pledge paddle on his wall, and he used it. Fear of that paddle kept many a student in line.

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Denise Pahl, El Paso, Tx — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:24:32 GMT

Wow as a read these comments I realize that racism is not over; people just do not get it. Many of you are saying things that just back up what the panel was saying.

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Heidi Gonzales, Tehachapi, CA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:25:41 GMT

I attend a public community college in California. My classes are about 20% black, 60% latino, 1% Asian, and 19% white. I am curious about something. The Black males I see are some of the smartest kids I talk with, but, they try to avoid discussions in the classroom. What am I missing? I feel like these brilliant young men are insecure about their intelligence, but from where I sit, its obvious that they are brilliant. What can we do to make sure these children understand they are equally smart and valuable to their white, asian, latino counterparts?

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Addie, Tacoma, WA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:29:51 GMT

The respone of the "White" David Wilson to the "Black" David Wilsons' inquiry about reparations illustrates the point of thinking that Africans and African americans are inferior:"....Black americans live better in america than anywhere else on earth...", That answer presuposes that had not the strongest and smartest not been stolen from the continent of Africa, that the lifestyle that america enjoys could not of occurred in Africa. America is what is because of what African have contributed, we will never know what Africa would have been had they been using their skills and labor in Africa.

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Angela, Parker, Colorado — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:30:10 GMT

I have visit many websites that have blogs. There seems to be a great divide regarding race, one example the Obama and Rev. Jerimah Wright relationship. Many white people view Rev. Wright as racist while many blacks see Rev. Wright as a devoted patriot who serve his country in the Marine and Navy, and his comments on “you tube” were viewed by blacks as oppressed circumvention- frustrations driven by the Civil Rights Movement and Institutional Racism today. Do you feel race relations can transcend racial lines in the 21st century? If so, how?

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Susan, Jackson, Wyoming — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:31:08 GMT

One thing I'd like to open up for conversation is that there are also people, without black or brown skin, who carry identities that illicit prejudicial responses, and the offenders don't even know they are there, becuase the subject of the hatred is white. For example, I carry Nativie American, Jewish, and German heritage. People of all races assume that because I am white and American, that I am Christian, and have no idea that they offend me with this assumption when the talk to me as though I am. They would not say offensive things as candidly to a black or brown person, because their minority status is staring them in the face. Do you think this is something we also need to have a conversation about?

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Robin Slade — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:31:17 GMT

What say the panel in regards to the anthropological studies of Professor John U. Ogbu and his Cultural Etholgical Theory of school performane with some implications for education... speaking of voluntary and involuntary minorities... are any of the panelist familiar with his studies and can they comment on how his concepts may relate the topic being discussed tonight... i think it does relate and would like to hear them speak about that. Thanks.

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steve, illinois — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:31:55 GMT

Would somebody get that guy from Georgetown off the air and put someone on that wants to solve the problems rather than promote them.

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Nickie — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:34:24 GMT

Where are all the Hispanic/Latino people in this conversation? It is not just about black and white. There are brown people that are being discriminated against everyday. Why are they not included on this panel and in this conversation?

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E. Dorst, Mauston, WI — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:34:53 GMT

I watched the David Wilson film, very interesting. While I was watching I wondered what direction this discussion group would try to take me. It took me right where I thought they would. The black community is in the situation it is today because of the white community. Hog-wash! MSNBC might have gotten a much more honest response had they inclued people like Bill Cosby who stated that the plight of today's black community is no longer the white man's problem. That ended 40 years ago. That is not to say there are not problems in our great country regarding this issue that may still need to be addressed. However, until the Black communtiy begins to take ownership of their own problems and stops playing the "victim card" evertime they feel there has been an injustice done to them, and blaming all of their problems on what transpired 150-500 years ago, nothing will change. I hope things do change. But the likes of this program are not going to accomplish a thing.

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Patricia Timus, Sterling, VA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:35:46 GMT

How can Brian Williams have Kathy Lanier on thie panel when as Metropolitan Police Chief she wants to got door to door in the black community looking for guns. She would NEVER do this is a predominately white community. That's part of what's wrong. People assume all blacks are criminals because of the statistics, but if the police were patrolling white neighborhoods day and night looking for criminals they'd find some.

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chuck hill, richmond, ky — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:35:50 GMT

let's talk about race.

I grew up white in America. I grew up poor in America.

Race is no longer the real issue. Class is the issue.

In addition to growing up white, I grew up poor, and I grew up in public housing in the 1960s
with whites, blacks, browns and the other disenfranchised. My father was an alcoholic bricklayer and my mother worked two jobs, one in a factory by day and the other at KFC at night. We had Black babysitters, no babsitters and all colors as friends, neighbors, classmates and adversaries. Where do I fit?

I have now been trained as a historian, and did not go to college until I was 30 (in the 1980s) because
I came from a class that did not go to college. In all of this conversation about reparations, etc.,
I hear commentary about slave traders, slave owners but never an acknowledgement of the Black
slave salesmen. If we are going to talk about reparations and apologies where do the Black Africans
who sold their fellow Africans into slavery fit?

I say, let all this be set aside. I acknowledge that race is a divisive issue but I think that we need to talk about class, and the fact that in this country race is no longer the real issue but class.

Race has become a commentary that no longer defines us but separates us. I do not care about race,
I care about how poverty and class that oppress us.

chuck

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Sharon Ferrigno — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:36:51 GMT

I am a Caucasian mother and grandmother, raised in upstate New York raised to believe we are all equal. There really are many whites who try to live a colorblind life. Why do so many people assume, as is happening in this discussion of race following the documentary, we don't exist?

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Rosemary Garrett , Detroit, MI — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:37:26 GMT

Earlier this week, I sent Joe Scarborough an email asking him, "Why Must African-Americans prove they hate themselves in order to prove they don't hate White Americans?" While I did expect him to answer or even acknowledge the questions, I did expect him to examine whether or not his almost rabid reaction to Senator Obama and the Reverend Wright issue had forced upon his concsciousness the validity of what Rev. Wright had said--that at least many black feel that way because the Joes of the world must be loved and forgiven without having acknowledged the problem. I watch "Morning Hoe every morning because I like the show and Joe, but----

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Wes, Indiana — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:37:36 GMT

As the races blend more and more will it systemically change the starting point in:
1. education
2. beliefs
3. parental teachings

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Solomon Krow, Woodbridge, NJ — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:40:27 GMT

There is one group;s view that has not been represented,that is the present native migrated African in the US. As an African from Ghana who grew up in the South Bronx, I see a lot of opportunities in the American Society because I grew up knowing my black culture and seeing others and our parents achieve something in life. How can we bring this same knowledge and self confidence to our black family in America?

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Cindy, Hartford ct — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:40:29 GMT

I feel like all these wonderful people on the panel, black and white are elitest. I don't think that people of low socioeconomic circumstances relate to them. How do we find the right people to connect with them to help them rise up out of their circumstances, and lack of self confidence. I challenge someone like Prof Dyson to really be able to connect with the urban common man without seeming to be condescending.

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Melvin Douglas, El Paso, TX — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:41:40 GMT

What happened to cause Black men to be absent in the home, historically?

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Mr. David Chan, IOWA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:42:24 GMT

I see this conversation often and to my dissapointment the discourse constantly makes the same mistake. These "converstations" about race usually end up only being about two groups. The history of America is a composite of many people. It just so happens that history books and tv seems to have a habit of forgetting that. Problems exist in many communities across and between many social economic,religious, gender and racial backgrounds and boundaries.

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PAM NICHOLLS, COLORADO SPRINGS, CO — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:43:50 GMT

BARAK OBAMA WAS BORN OF A WHITE WOMAN AND A BLACK MAN. HE WAS RAISED BY THE WHITE WOMAN. WHY IS HE A "BLACK" CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT?

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Angie, Hampton Roads, Virginia — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:45:29 GMT

What I find hard to understand is why this is still an issue? What generation (s) still want to keep this hate alive and kickin? Lets keep the home fires burnin? What?
I studied American history that included native americans (?), slavery, different caucasian races (irish vs. italian) and I don't quite understand how it is thought that these things are not aught in history class? And when you go to college you can study in more in depth African American, Native American etc. What is the big complaint?
I had friends from all ethnicities growing up and thank god I was not taught to think this way, I was taught color blind so it is very hard for me to understand why this is such an issue. Except that for those people whether they are black, or white or whatever color or culture, struggles happen to all races. I had a single parent who barely could put food on the tabl when I was a teenager, there were no resources given to help my mother but managed to pick myself up because of maybe influence from a teacher - What color am I?

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Dianne Tyrance-Neal, Washington, DC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:45:47 GMT

South Africa used their Reconciliation forums as an attempt to identify, recognize and begin to bridge the racial devide within the country. Do you think that a similar strategy would be helpful toward starting this country on the path toward healing? There seems to be no attempt on the part of the larger white society of this country to own up to their role in perpetuating racism in the US.

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Angela, Newport News, Virginia — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:48:42 GMT

My question is this....Regardless of all of the improvements that have been made throught the generations and just as there are racists who are whatever color they are and choose to utilize oppression as a form of speech and to create other oppression by fueling bad feelings and racism - Tell me what I really want to know is are you American?
Not Caucasian American, not African American, not CHinese American, not Mexican American, not Latino American - Can you stand and say I am American - That is the answer.

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LRoyStone.Georgia — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:53:38 GMT

To those who host news and news informational shows, that the use of African American is a misnomer. It does nothing more than move black Americans from the "N' word to the "AA" word. mainstream media, African studies, and crafty entrepreneurial hustlers feed on what some have come to label black Americans. It dehumanizes American Blacks and suggest that they are some sub-species of mainstream America and some continent. Fall out is the lost generations that have become the mainstay of the penal system.

If white is white, black is black, the media pundits apparently enjoy using the label. Half of the time not knowing even when it is still incorrectly used if the person is of African ethnicity, or even an American... But being black does not make one shoe (the AA) fit all. Even using white and then AA in the same sentence. Again if white is white, black is black.

It is disingenuous at best and unfortunately some individuals act the way they have been stereotyped (labeled} and others react to, and attempt to become what the label ascribes. Other attempt to fall in line out of ignorance or unwittingly. Many black Africans will be quick to tell you that even they identify with their tribe or geographical location. American blacks are of black African ethnicity, but they are not Black Africans.

For the uninformed and unawares, an article by John M. McWhorter in the La Times as far back as September 8,2004 "Why I'm Black, Not An African American" might be worth reading.

Again, the AA misnomer shoe is just that a misnomer, and if it could be remotely used, it does not fit all.. black is black, white is white, so much easier for all, If some remote ethnicity is needed, let it be left up to the individual. not the media, and those who are searching for an identity that is lost in 400 years of being in the Western Hemisphere.

Two generations of young blacks have been lost while some apparently misguided individuals were concentrating on trying to be African rather than trying to instill in the youth pride and patriotism associated with being an American. So the youths ventured out and became gangsters, filled the prisons, and purveyors of rap; as one writer put it the dregs of the cultural slop bucket. Role models weren't needed, but people with positive images were. The problem with the role model theory is that anyone can be a role model. That became part of the problem. Positive images that say I'm black and I'm proud is needed again, while at the same time, instilling what it means to be a proud black American with 400 years as a part of the development of this still evolving nation.

American Blacks apparently, at times get the focus of what hyphenated is all about. Those non-black individuals who sometimes might refer to themselves as a hyphenated American, are individuals whose ancestors came to this country within recent years, usually the the mid 19th century and later. The have recent and sometimes remote ties to second and third generation immigrants. The majority of American Blacks ancestors have been here since 1619 and some before. No other American, perhaps more so than Black Americans have earned the right just to be called an American. After 400 years, black Americans ancestors will be found here, not somewhere in Africa.

Enslaved Africans came from various villages, territories, tribes and geographical locations. After being bred, sold, moved, sold again, bred again, and then moved freely on their own for more than one hundred years..their ancestors are here. Their heritage is here, the mother land is here. The mother land for the enslaved Africans was Africa. It appears unfortunate that a great deal of time is spent talking about some other mother land, when the struggles of black ancestors for more than three hundred years have been right here in the USA.

If any remote connection to Africa is found it certainly will not be about roots, perhaps not even a small LIMB. Black Americans of African ancestry, have truly become an Americans black, a new genotype/phenotype.. Take a look in the mirror. And go look at some pictures of the enslaved Africans. The facts speak for themselves. Teach the young black American pride in this country and teach them patriotism. Too many did so much, endured so much not to be just an American.They suffered, died, bled and toiled to make this country what it is, and some blacks are spending their time and their wheels looking back to Africa.. The suffering was here, the suffering was real. Blacks in Africa didn't suffer, enslaved blacks in the western hemisphere did. This country is the heritage. Building on all that they did, and being an American would make them proud.

It is without a doubt that American blacks are of black African ancestry. There are physical characteristics that will verify that. We know you are of African ethnicity. Now just be a proud patriotic American. and move on being proud in your blackness and heritage. Move on brother and take it further as the song says

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Scott Meyer, Cincinnati, Ohio — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:57:25 GMT

I'm white. Mention was made of the importance of education. I realize that education isn't the magic bullet, but it's important.

For several years, I tutored in an inner-city school--during the week and one night a week. One thing that was an almost insurmountable problem was overcoming the stigma attached to trying hard in school--it was disparagingly cast as "a white thing." Even when a child was interested in achieving, he or she was invariably criticized by peers.

Black children aren't going to listen to a white guy like me. What can black adults do to emphasize the importance importance of an education?

An I'm not buying one panelist's remark that a white ex-con has a better chance of getting a job in NYC than a black college graduate.

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Erika Harada, Ridgewood, NJ — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:57:40 GMT

So many of the comments on make me sad -- racism hasn't ended. Institutionalized racism still thrives, and people, especially white people, seem oblivious to it. The "default" race in the US is still white, and all people of color are going to be judged based on those standards, whether it's the standard of beauty, way of speaking, or overall culture. It's unfortunate that we can't just be ourselves in this country where we all belong.

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Robert — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:59:37 GMT

Why does everyone insist that african-americans need more money from the government, more programs from the government and more and different "opportunities" to make a difference in their lives? I grew up in a poor family and couldn't get financial aid. So I CHOSE to empower myself and I WORKED, WORKED, WORKED sometimes 50 or 60 hours in a 7 day work week to put myself through college to better myself and my future.....why can't good old fashioned hard work and determination be preached more than we are entitled? No one is entitled to anything.....if you get government help then great but this sense of entitlement angers me and the thousands of black, white, latino or asians who worked their fingers to the bone to elevate themsleves and MAKE their future happen not have someone hand it to them!!! To say that a white man who was an ex-con would have a better chance getting a job than a college educated black man is preposterous and insulting to both white and black people. CHOOSE TO EMPOWER YOURSELF AND YOU WILL BE EMPOWERED.......

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Rip Coleman, — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:00:14 GMT

I have a few questions. I hope you can answer them.

1. Why is a person's race set by his/her ancestors instead of his/her progeny? 2. Can I choose to be the same race as my grand children instead of my grand parents? 3. Why is Mr Obama considered a black man with a white mother instead of a white man with a black father? 4. Can we ever get to the point that we look at a man like Mr Obama and "judge him on the content of his character instead of the color of his skin?"

On a personal note, it is no longer obvious to me that race is important. At one time, in the very long list of criteria that I had for a son-in-law, race was number one on the list. Now, with experience, race is no longer on that list. That's what my children taught me and what I want to teach my grand children.

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katrina harper, irvington , nj — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:02:02 GMT

when i watched meeting david wilson,i noticed when he was pulling tobacco leaves there were modern day slaves pulling tobacco along with the colored david wilson.it is not colored people fault why they are here.you have to think about how it would have been if slavery never existed.remember kings and queens which were men and women?thats always something people would remember as a dream.why is it now feeling like life it self is a dream ,of no self thought becoming worthless.all people of color should never forget about where they come from.!AFRICA!ripped people of their innocence.it ripped souls of the weak.from generation to generation.they know all you have to do is stand up, but, even with the young some people need help standing up.you do not have to give them reparations, only if you can give them their blood back! their heritage, their continent,their life, their freedom, their language, their skin, their diamonds, their gold, their jewels, their "AFRICAN" "QUEEN" and "KING"! , !LIFE!, my family, my love for the world.!must i go on?give the indians back their land .make a black dollar! give them money like you gave the victims of the holocaust.

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Roger M, Herlong, CA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:02:14 GMT

What is this culture of "owing" black people for what happened over 140 years ago?
No one is owed anything in this country. This is a nation where you are what you make yourself. To sit in ghettos and say "there is no way out", is a copout. Move, like I did and others in my family did!
Why is it that we have to remember slavery, but forget the hundreds of thousands of lives that were given to end slavery?
Why is it that there are "black churches" instead of just churches? By indentifying yourself as a black church you knowingly racially seperate yourself from all churches.
Why do we have to keep hearing how black people are owed more than any other people in this country?
Why is required that every white person have to feel some kind of "guilt" for what happened generations ago?
Why is it that we have 11 to 15% of this nation controlling somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of welfare, housing, food stamps, "affirmative action", medical costs, educational costs, and whatever else is thrown their way in that same guilt trip?
And in the end, why is it that every time a black person uses a racial epithet it's because he or she has had a "hard life" and we should understand, and yet when a person of any other race uses an epithet against a black (that they themselves use constantly), they are sued, jailed, or harassed beyond all reason?
I'm tired of racism in this nation, yet the racism seems to be started by black people, built up by black people, and kept alive by black people.
In this country, if you are citizen here, you are an American, not African-American, not white-American, not Asian-American, or any other "designated-American". Why can't you do that?

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ann minneapolis — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:03:19 GMT

What is the name of the Howard U professor...I believe his last name is Kerr?

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Carolyn Nicholson-Dedier, Centreville, VA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:05:17 GMT

Thank you, thank you, thank you Mr. Williams for bringing such topics as "a conversation about race" to the forefront. No matter how uncomfortable the discussion is, we as a nation need to find resolutions to our problems and solve them. I'm worried about the future of our generations to come. We all need help.

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Cindy Hadden — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:06:02 GMT

Do you agree that we ultimately need to learn to love each other and how do we get there?
I believe it is by finding those things we share and have in common, effective equality in schools,etc., going to the same churches, not black ones or white ones. But what about the love all people need for themselves to be healthy?
Jesus said: "Love God first and love others AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF." I think that means accepting who we are, colors, gay, straight, men and women is condusive to loving ourselves so we CAN love others.

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R.L.S. — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:12:30 GMT

some of the views expressed in this comment section demonstrate the reason why an actual "conversation about race" is impossible in mainstream america: the grasping for any reason to exclusively blame black americans for their plight, the outright refusal to, for example, see the full context of reverend jeremiah wright's oft-quoted comments and make any attempt at understanding things from his point of view.

also, it's pretty shameful on msnbc's part to shut down some of the most real, honest dialogue about race on mainstream television in order to fit in what was a mostly meaningless comment from the filmmaker when the discussion had become about so much more than that.

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Colleen, Cedar Rapids, Iowa — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:23:04 GMT

Growing up in a multi-cultural neighborhood in the 1980's and going to school with a relatively even mix of blacks and whites, I loved where I grew up, and my parents and my neighbors looked after all of us kids. Our teachers demanded respect, and if you acted up, my African-American principal used the paddle on any child that needed "extra attention." I was paddled once for lying about another student. And my parents who are white, never questioned his actions.
I am not suggesting that we return to corporal punishment in the schools, but why can't we demand respect for teachers from our children? How about we as parents give teachers a chance to do their job, and not have to act as a social worker,parent, or police officer in school?

Now 20 years later, I see the biggest problem with both Black and White America is the lack of responsiblity for our own children and families. We look to the government to fix the problems that a breakdown of morales and values have created.

What do we do to change our priorities? Are we really going to wait around for the government to throw money at problems that won't ever be fixed if we don't teach what is right and wrong in our own homes? Yes,there is racism everywhere, yes we have the media working against us, yes there is an uneven distribution of wealth, yes, the public school system is crippled, all of this is true. But what are you going to do right now for your child? What are you going to do? Are you going to wait for someone else to maybe make it better for your children, or are you going to make every sacrifice you have to? I am. And I know that there are many others black and white that are doing the same. If we can do it, why can't the rest of America?

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Barbara Dowell, Hurdle Mills, North Carolina — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:23:55 GMT

Jackie Rawlings of Riverside California says it all. Her insight on the issues of race are dead on. Jackie, I have sent a blog--not as good as yours--but just a few simple remembrances of my childhood. I agree with you about the parents taking a more active role. In reality, it was our (and by "our" I mean America's)responsibility to share with the black community EVERYTHING they had been deprived of up until desegregation. We dropped the ball because we were afraid "they" would learn more, or take our jobs away from us, or (God forbid) marry into our families. If black people or people of "color" do not act responsibly--it is our fault--we did not teach them well. If fathers of minorities are not around--it's because we did not teach them how to have enough confidence to feel like they could pull it off.
My husband was an ACOA (adult child of an alcoholic) and he did not start off being a good parent. He had to learn; unfortunately it was several years after our children were born. He often said to me, "If only I had been given a better script, "I just didn't know any better. Being a father is hard for anyone but especially hard for a black man that is expected to fail.
I watched the television show with Brian Williams, "A Conversation About Race" and the professor who spoke from Howard wanted to be heard. He had a right to be angry and it's time we admitted it.
David Wilson B didn't owe David Wilson A an apology. He, along with the rest of the nation, owe not only David Wilson an apology but every American that has been given the leftovers by government, especially education.
When desegregation was adopted into our nation we had the perfect opportunity to receive the minority community with open arms. To take them under our wings and become friends. To teach them what they are still trying to catch up to; And, to allow them to become a part of our worlds--without predjudice.

That's all any of us want--to be heard.

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Kevin C. Esses, San Mateo, Fl. — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:25:40 GMT

Why must people judge another person by the color of his or her skin? It is just like the 08 elections people are
voting on race or gender, and not the issues at hand. If people would open there eyes and understand that we are all Gods children, then and only then will we be able to advance in life as human beings, that see no color, but only life with love and respect for one another.

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Albert John Bowley, Jr. — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:26:10 GMT

We live in a fallen world. Jesus is the way to solve all these problems. The devil will fight against all who stand for good, and evil is very crafty, but the devil will loose. Find Jesus and you will be a warrior against the evils in this fallen, sad world. My great grandfather was a white office of colored troops in the 30th US Colored Infantry. He was F.S. Bowley, 1st Lt USC Infantry. Read his story, A Boy Lieutenant. It is on amazon.com. God bless America, Col A. J. Bowley, Jr. USAF (Ret)

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James Morant Lancaster, TX — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:27:48 GMT

People have common needs and do not realize what is important. (Life) Humans need air to breath, blood to flow and a heart to beat. You can believe and chose anything else that you would like to believe, but living is simple. People have made the idea of life hard. We all have bacis needs but different wants. Please wake up. We are wasting precious time. Time is all you have, until it is taken away from you.

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Lisa Lowe Atlanta, GA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:28:50 GMT

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE-let me tvo the live portion with Brian who I absolutely adore but did not realize would be a part of this taping...It was sooo rich black or white....I love MSNBC you tell the absolute truth....Lisa Lowe

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Olivia,washington dc — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:28:54 GMT

For a moment, can we step away from the church and get to the root of the problem and that is economics; Slavery was started to expand the Americas by enslaving an entire race (African Americans) of people for more than four hundred years and counting to promote and preserve their World status. Secondly, if some whites(and others)would stop saying get over it(meaning slavery) and deal with the fact that yes everyday you wake up and go to your job you are a beneciariary of the wealth and and status of your white ancestors. Recognize it and accept it but stop saying African Americans need to get over it...Accept that our very Violent Beginings have everything to do with the way some of us act in society today. Who invented Guns and Drugs anyway? Case closed.

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Diana Ahrens, Garner NC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:30:39 GMT

I like what David A. said at the end of the program. It was something that was totally missed by the panel. This is about conversations among the citizens, not a bunch of people looking in from the outside and deciding what is best.

As a woman who used to be extremely productive, working high paying jobs, teaching, highly respected person, who with one diagnosis became invisible. Bipolar. I was still as smart, and competent, but at that particular moment was in need of assistance. The thing that bothered me the most was that I became invisible. No one was asking me what I thought was best for me, or what I needed and included me in the decisions about my care.

That being said, why are we not talking to the people in the communities that are struggling. Ask them what will help, what they need, respect them for having to deal with the conditions they do, poverty, lack of mentors etc. They know their lives better than anyone else. So instead of looking down and saying, this is what needs to happen, show them respect by letting them be a part of the change in their own neighborhoods. Not only will that make the problems more evident to others, but then they can have ownership of changing their own communities thus building self esteem, work ethic, and many other positive attitudes for their lives.

Just a thought...

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KIM PETERSON — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:36:23 GMT

I think the major problem is that we won't discuss the issue of race between the races. I think white supremacy which this country was founded on and currently run by needs to end. However, as far as we have come as Black people in so many ways we have regressed. So I pose a question. If racism ended today how would we fix the other problems that are just a dibilitating to our community (the Black community) which is Black on Black crime, unplanned pregnancies especially without economic stability, absentee parents (physically, mentally), and self esteem?
My answer is: While we don't need to let racism off the hook, we have to look in the mirror and accept a lot of responsibility ourselves.

I see the problems in the question I posed in all races and economic classes, but it is tremendous in the Black community and I want to see us reach the pinnacle as a whole that I know we have within in us innately.

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Lowell Tonips, Raton, NM — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:36:44 GMT

Race issues are not limited to black and white, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans etc, are subjected to this every day. Native Americans are NOT given reparations. My question: What would it take to feel as comfortable with the person next to you, as you feel with your best friend?

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boudreaux, detroit, mi — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:37:18 GMT

Finally a real conversation about race. I was disheartened in the middle when listening to the "intellectuals." Finally a real passage to healing and connection. Both black and whites were shown a way through this video to truly connect. I am a black american and I wife brought up a great point. It is not required that there is a proverbial black leader. What is necessary is just as David B said. We need to challenge ourselves all americans to consider how we think and what we think. Not about reparations not about systemic anything. It is however about individuals doing better jobs of being honest about there thougt process.

I think the point of the David's which in its irony is the name of the biblical name of a slayer of a monstrous giant. In this country Goliath is represented by the thought process of all. Unlike David who slayed his impossible opponent with a single blow. I think the two David's cast a pivotal blow. Giving direction on how to address and resolve the issue of race in america once and for all. With all do respect more "pontificating" is not necessary for us to do what the David's did and reach out.

If this is revisited it should be done with everyday people reaching out. A sort of "marriage counseling" process must be had. Translating this last comment. No one is all the way right or wrong but if we are to live with each other we have to deal with the half empty part as well as the half full.

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Jake, Houston, Tx — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:42:43 GMT

Racial discussions don't interest me. I'm sick of all the garbage coming from the mouths of those who think I and other white people owe the black community an apology. HOGWASH! Who do they think they are? And why do they think I am responsible for the plight of their ancestors? Huh? Are they stupid? If they are, stop giving their pea brains airtime. Do you hear me Mr. and Mrs. Media? Stop pandering to the whining of those who want something for nothing. Stop playing into the hand of people like Wright, Jackson, and others who don't have any skills other than complaining about something without substance. The past is the past. Period. The spineless whiners are nothing more than irresponsible babies who can't make it without handouts from others. Lazy is another word I use to describe them. And here's something else to think about: The mindset of those who rattle off this racial garbage are the very ones who think they can lie, rob, murder, steal because they are owed what they take. Just look at the statistics. Who makes up the majority of prison population? When that gutless idiot on tonight's show said he is owed an apology, it widened the disdain I have for those like him. I'm not a racist: I'm just sick of those who complain about racial issues because they, yes they, are the very ones who will NOT LET IT DIE. They choose to pick out anything AND I MEAN ANYTHING which will further fan the flames - like nooses. Give me a break! The only other thing I hate more than their mindset is the media giving them prime airtime. They, and the media, are absolute loosers. You hear me? Loosers!

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LH Underwood — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:42:51 GMT

I have just watched the 90 minute live conversation about race in which there were several well articulated insights about this pivotal issue. Will this conversation be re-aired? If yes, when?

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ron broughton — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:43:05 GMT

Linda Bailey from Alabama, I am a white person in California, I am shocked that you can even mention Clinton in the same breath as Obama, thats why nothing changes, it is not just sad, it is truly unbelievable that you think the way you do, just amazing, I akm speech less !

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joann doe — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:43:15 GMT

Loved the documentary, hated the commentary. They all missed the point. This conversation was for everyday people both black and white. Each black panel member brought the 800 lb elephant with them.

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eloise, plano, tx — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:44:34 GMT

What exactly does it mean to be white?
There is much discussion about blacks - but there are no blacks, no whites, no Hispanics. Only human beings. We all get up each morning to achieve common goals - raise our children, earn an honest living, enjoy the fruits of that labor.
Yet, we do not all have the same experiences in the pursuit of those goals.
Examples: In the workplace, the leader denigrates the hard work of the subordinate and gets away with it because neither of them will confront the issue.
The manager who somehow manages to eliminate all subordinates who do not 'look' like him/her.
The child in school whose car is covered in egg and milk because she is dating a person of a different hue.
Yet many of the preceding comments deny that this exists.
I am one of the single parents, supposedly, black who raised four children, went to work every day and moved mountains for the corporation to ensure my children succeeded. Today, I have raised (in spite of all obstacles), a doctor, a teacher, an engineer and an entrepreneur.
No, they do not play football, soccer or basketball - purposely. Yes they have natural God-given intelligence and with hard work, discipline and dedication they have achieved the goals.
This was done in spite of systemic racism they and I endured... So teachers, the parents are not all to blame.
How is it that other countries deal with people of different hue and we can't? Because our society is superficial and judges everything by its physical characteristics that must match some pre-determined norm whether that is weight, color, age, height, shape. When we become more introspective and willing to go deeper to true character then we can make progress.

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Sharon Joseph — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:44:55 GMT

I have read many of these comments and it is always the same. All bases on is black pathology and avoidance of white discomfort and responsibility. Why can't blacks forget about slavery, they need to stop acting victims, blacks have poor morals look at heir families, Black don't don't value education, they want a free ride and we have already done enough, look at whet Rev. Wright, thay are the racists now, Blacks don't want to blend in an be "American," they are better off than if they were in Africa, were all God's children isn't that what Martin Luther King Jr. said? Current Americans owe blacks nothing because it is all in the past. After these "masterful Facts" the conversation is usually closed. Don't you think it is awfully ignorant to discount the feelings, opinions and facts of millions of Americans with on or two oft-repeated comments.

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D. L. Washington Michigan — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:45:56 GMT

As I watched the program on race in America this evening I wandered as I often do when watching such forums, why is the conversation limited to what’s awry in the black community. When will a forum address the problems in the white community, their perceptions of race, America and the world community?

It is time to ask an additional question, one that does not allow discussing what ails others but a conversation about the white community with an equal level of scrutiny exacted upon the black community.

Until that happens the mockery of a conversation of race should be called what it is “Another forum discussing what’s wrong within the black community.”

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Gregory Thornton, Palisades Park, NJ — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:52:29 GMT

Do you feel that we squandered the opportunity to have a real and meaningful conversation in the "mainstream" media by having dashiki clad professors and angry toned, fist shaking black intellectuals try to communicate issues? I, as a black American heard and felt their anger and pain more than heard their suggestions or desire to solve the problems. I can only imagine what White America heard or ingested from the entire exercise.

We as black Americans need to understand and accept that today’s white Americans whether they realize it or not, are also victims of those old racial policies and injustices though not as physically, personally or economically injured as black Americans. We don’t need an apology from people that live with the legacy of slavery as we do, and the people who instituted those policies and injustices and therefore should be apologetic, are long dead.

We need to start searching for and discussing solutions instead of angrily reiterating the causes and effects of racism in America. I feel we missed a marvelous opportunity.

Greg
Palisades Park, N.J.

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smd cameron wi — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:11:07 GMT

Yes we obsess over history but we shouldent forget the past but learn from it and move on we can not move forword if we live in the past. Whats done is done and can not change the past but we certently can certently chage the future if we are willing. the starting point should be at home. yes the funds were topic on the segment but money is not a fix all in the least. yes ppl want an apology but we cant aplogize for the past. the idea of the past is to learn from it not dwell on and this is not directed to any one cammunity it is directed to every one and not in bad way either.

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Richard Rodriguez Rivera, Carolina, Puerto Rico — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:14:31 GMT

The attempt of the two David Wilsons; on MSNBCs' forum hosted by Brian Williams, opened the door for an ongoing conversation about racethat Barack Obama, mentioned in his Philadelphia Speech in reference to the inflamatory expressions of his pastor Jeremiah Wright. I feel that there were a lot of academic rhetoric though legitimate it did not open it was not in the direction of bringing forth plausible begining to resolve what has kept Blacks and Whites so separated and start to bringing them together. The apology to start with is necessary, is obligatory so in some manner begins the healing process for the blatant brutality commited against the black community. The other question is who or whom is to offer such apology for the wounds inflicted after the more than 150 yrs. If there is a willingness to move it forward with some achievement of success, the apology will come. Bare in mind that it is not easy and simple to apologies specially from where the ("guilt")lays. It is not easy, if were it would have been resolved long ago.
My believe is that if moderate people like the Wilsons' get together more often and bring forth the divides and possible solutions out off their hearts, the light at the end of the tunnel will start to show. You cannot bring hatred to the table, but plenty of love and show it. Education at home and school is a must, through it you can achieve your set goals and truly participate of the American Dream, there will be thorns along the way but that should not discourage any. it means that if you got to that stage, it is working.

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elizabeth foster, pasadena, california — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:14:32 GMT

Why is it the slaughter of the red man and slavery dismissed as irrelevant history? White Americans extrapolate only the noble. A race of people were here when the Europeans arrive and another race came here in chains. Just some of the ugly historical facts. Lastly, why is Pat Buchanan coddled by the mainstream media like MSNBC? His "Brief on Whitey" directed at Barack Obama was a racist tirade, yet he is never challenged. Jeremiah Wright, however, was demonized as a sociopath. Truth and fairness is usually skewed when applied to people of color.

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Hector G. Beltre Jr. Manchester Connecticut 06040 — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:06:53 GMT

I felt like the professor from Howard University brought about a great intellectual debate yet lost site of the fact that the average citizen and persons affected by this issue is not going to understand where he is fully coming from. I felt like he became irritated and combative. It seemed like he lost site of the overarching issue of trying to bridge this conversation of race cohesively as oppose to addressing it with too much passion. Remember, this is a sensitive topic that is just fully being addressed and I felt like this was not the right show to express too much anger although it's hard. Immediately conducting such intellectual and political debates that really does not cater to the majority of the average citizens also looses site as to David Wilsons controversial yet soft spoken documentary. I respect and admire his insights and look forward to hearing more from him in the future, but to throw indirects at the panel as well as to demonstrate to America how intellectual his vocabulary is, just makes him loose listeners and can damage his credibility as a person of reason in terms of dealing with the "present" racial issues plaguing this country. By no means am I bashing him as I admire his passion and feel his anger as a minority myself especially living in Connecticut, but he lost me with his somewhat combative approach to the panel. This is just how I and my sister felt. Well, Thanks for your time.

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PORSH, MAHWAH, NJ — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:38:39 GMT

I THINK THAT IF WE STEP BACK FOR ONE SECOND AND CAN ACTUALLY THINK OF HOW SOMEONE ELSE FEELS AND EMBRACE IT, UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT REACT THE SAME WAY IF YOU WERE IN THAT PERSON SITUATION, AGREE TO NOT DISAGREE, BUT TO LISTEN AND THAN START CONVERSATION ON RACE THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ARGUMENT. AFTER EACH COMMENT THAT YOU READ, STEP BACK PUT YOURSELF IN THE OTHER PERSONS PERSPECTIVE THINK OF ALL THEY MIGHT HAVE WENT THROUGH TO GIVE THEM THESE FEELING AND THE ONLY THING YOU COULD SAY IS THAT, WE ARE ALL UNIQUE, CAPABLE, WE ARE ALL BLESSED, AND WE ARE ALL FORGIVEN. CONVERSATION SHOULD BE ON UNDERSTANDING ONE'S LIFE BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCE AND EMBRASSING THEM AS IF THEY WERE YOUUR BROTHER OR SISTER.

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AQ. MOHAMMED OAKLAM\ND CA. — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:54:35 GMT

Hi

My name is AQ.MOHAMMED. I was born Gaines. I did the same thing that David did. I ask my mother to take me to Louisiana. That where we were born. We followed my mother's family roots. I believe the program was very helpful. One thing i can't help to notice. If we are really going to be fair evolvment of African American we must bring AfricanAmerica Muslim in the picture. I am a follower of Imam W.D. Mohammed.
All of American history must be told. I wish i wood have went as far as David did. I remember when we finally arrived in Louisiana and fond our history. When we went to the house of our slave background the gentlemen wouldn't let us in the house. We had our conversation on the porch. This in 1988. One thing that stand out in my mind,when we were leaving the gentlemen gave my mother and niece a kiss and hugg that told me that they were is family because during our visting he really try to act like were not family. I am glad were are holding this conversation. AfricanAmerica need to also hold this very conversation. Thank You for having the courage to start the dialog. AQ

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Jenn P. San Diego, CA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:36:09 GMT

I just watched this program and loved the openness, but would have liked more white people on the stage to engag and participate in the conversation. We know how "we" as black people feel, but I want to see white people open up and to get an understanding of their point of view to then come up with a solution that will help America.

I absolutely love MSNBC, not because of this progam, but because of the openness..fairness...non bias media they have covered regarding the presidential race.. that is why I began watching my favorite Keith Olberman (and Rachael love ya too darling!) I think that it is heroic of them to make the first step on this topic.. it makes me feel empowered.

To David A. Wilson...good job, not only how you approached the topic but how you came from the heart when you met David Wilson which allowed for an open and honest conversation.. sometimes we want to approach people with our anger which gets us no where... I liked David B. Wilsons honesty. I respect him for being honest and not politically correct.

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James Perdue Sr., Holts Summit, Missouri — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:37:41 GMT

"A Conversation About Race" that was aired on MSNBC 4/11/2008, was the best piece of television work that has been seen in American Homes for 100 years. Brian Williams needs to be congratulated as well as MSNBC.

Racism is an important issue for all of us whatever race or creed. However, as long as the politicians keep using race and racism to further their private and political goals it can be expected to exist.

It was plain to see watching this documentary and listening to the panel members that much needs to be learned and adhered to. The different panel members were brilliant in their exchange of views and that in itself should be testimony to the need to extinguish racism wherever possible.

It is important to recall the past but not dwell on it. Better, to take a look at our own ideals and emotions and start treating each other as real human beings rather than sterotyping or profiling to make decisions about our neighbors.

If each of his would stop listening to the half-truths that come out on the other network news channels. Where we start researching for ourselves what the real truth is about race and how the fire is rekindled every two or three years by unknowledgeable reporters who just want to make a name for theirselves. Maybe they need to produce real facts about this issue.

Blacks need to be allowed to be Black. It serves no purpose for the Black man or woman to have to adhere to or become white to fit into mainstream America.

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katrina harper, irvington, nj — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:24:04 GMT

please, do not say that "africans held their own people as slaves".who knows, people are still hearing lies to this day.if they did of course it was not okay,what gives anybody the right to think that just because Africans held their people as slaves that some people from all over different parts of the globe can just come into their country and do the same thing from the looks of it, then and now, they did not do blacks a favor.people only portray negative sides of people. think about "America" is one country how come mostly every other country dislikes them. how come still to this day they are going into people countries and killing them,ripping families apart, seems like slavery all over again they just call it "WAR" against terrorists they are the terrorists invading people countries, they are thieves, robbers, murderers, open your eyes and you will see.yes slavery still exist look at what they are doing with the mexicans , taking little "ASIAN" boys and girls selling them for sexual pleasures, now every person know sex was one their favorites in slavery. dont tell anyone to" forget about slavery cause it was hundreds of years ago". thats a lie "MARTIN LUTHER KING" just died 40 years ago. the drugs they put on these streets are killing today also. your great,great,great grandfather was a slave owner/rapist/cold blooded murderer, dont they say its in the genes/blood. why do you think people of all color in AMERICA are rapists/killers and so on its in their blood passed down from generation to generation.

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GA Jones Durhan NC — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:11:22 GMT

This is in response to Jackie Rawlings, "she said Blacks should be grateful to the thousands of whites who have died so they could have their freedoms".What about the estimated 12 million blacks who they killed in the middle passage? She made her statement like blacks were not there fighting along sides whites, my family has fought has fought in every war in this country from the Revolutionary War to the war on terror, thats how my GGGGrandfather got he freedom from slavery. To me that is the biggest problem this country has we do not teach white people Black American history. White ignorance is the biggest problem

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Dan Riordan, Menomonie, WI — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:54:40 GMT

I feel that the documentary creates important scenes that provide models for the conversation on race. Those scenes are the first meeting between the two Davids and David A.'s speech to the school children at the end. In the former the two David's are uncomfortable but respectful. While both men hint at powerful emotional reactions (for example, what if I ask for reparations? You are better off in the US than you would be in Africa), neither of them acts on those emotions. One result of the meeting is a meeting of the two families, where again the deep emotions are not acted upon, but some type of celebration occurs. In the second scene David A offers an amazing interpretation of slavery--the slaves and their descendants are the victors. I would also add that the documentary provides other powerful scenes. For instance his grandmother tells him to get respect and leave the past. He confronts the horror of his past both in the slave cabin and in the slave port in Ghana. And in his attempt to discover if he is a blood relative to David B he discovers instead his African heritage (Ashanti) and makes a journey back to Africa after which he makes the speech about being the victors in slavery. In addition he shows us David B as a person who has to work his way through his past. The relationship between the two men seems like another model that could be explored as a model for how to treat one another and deal with a troubling past. I believe we can all build on those two key scenes and the basic story of courage and transformation as we create the model we need in the race conversation.

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William Cingolani — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:16:37 GMT

I listened to the conversation on race and I noticed regarding the Doll test that the way the question was asked, "which doll is pretty" and "which doll is ugly" implied that there has to be a pretty doll and there has to be an ugly doll. The question should have been asked "Is there an ugly doll, and is there a pretty doll. By asking the child which doll is ugly would imply that there has to be an ugly doll. Let the child decide if there is an ugly doll or if there is a pretty doll. By asking which doll is ugly is already telling the child that there is an ugly doll.

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Eric Tull, New York, New York — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:05:01 GMT

I am writing on Saturday, after seeing "Meeting David Wilson". I don't know whether this comment will go anywhere or whether this blog is still being monitored. I have a feeling that here must be another blog for post-viewing comments, but "davidwilson.msnbc.com" is not working for me for some reason. I was inspired by David Wilson's courage and insight in taking this step. I honestly believe that if Americans can pursue the earnest dialogue that is due to Wilson's work, and follow through on what they learn with meaningful action, his attempt at reconciliation and healing will be considered by history to be one of the most important social, political, and media events since the Civil Rights Movement. He has shown us the long overdue next step, and I have faith that the rest of us can rise to this challenge. I teach history to 6 and 7 grade children of all backgrounds, and I need to obtain a DVD of Wilson's film to facilitate a conversation with them. Please tell me how I can do this. And please tell David Wilson that I feel all Americans owe him a serious vote of thanks.

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Edward Hanlon, Potsdam, New York — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:44:20 GMT

I watched the broadcast last evening on David Wilson, followed by the live discussion from Howard University. It was so well done and you brought a great deal of sensitivity and focus to the discussion. One fault, and there were a few, I found lies in the fact that the broadcast was on MSNBC and would better have been on NBC. It really is unfathomable that such an important beginning national discussion was placed on cable in deference to a beauty contest. Well, I guess that’s the nature of commercialism over content.

You are a busy person, so I will cut to the quick. While such a discussion is long in coming, it contained those elements of persistent “we need an apology” and reparations for slavery. That theme was revisited time after time after time during the discussion. The other theme which was hammered virtually ad nauseum was this “white’ generalization. The Barack Obama mantra of “my grandmother’s typical white response” was not so clearly hidden. Understand there are those of us “whites” who do not have that stereotypical response and there are those of us “whites” who find it disconcerting and offensive to be grouped in such a manner.

I am an American of Irish descent…preferred to be called American Irish rather than Irish-American. My ancestors arrived here when slavery was on the way out. Are we to be held responsible for that “peculiar American institution”? In a very real world, the Emancipation Proclamation may have been a shining triumph for blacks, but it was a devastating event for the Irish. The sudden opening of a new labor force created for the Irish a step down in class. There were no signs in the north No Blacks Need Apply as there were in many places signs which read No Irish Need Apply. While the American Civil War was, to some extent, fought to end slavery, it was fought all to often by Irish immigrants, conscripted off the boats in New York City…separated from their wives and children, many not able to speak English to any great extent, and sent of to “fight for Lincoln”. Those who made it to New York City found themselves in the most desperate of living conditions, with few opportunities for work.

While Africans were kidnapped, sold into slavery, and forced on long ocean voyages in dank and disease ridden sailing ships to a fate unknown, the Irish were forced from their country by hostile British power, relegated to a long ocean voyage on dank and disease ridden sailing ships to a fate unknown. It must be remembered and recognized that the Great Famine, what we call An Gorta Mor, was a British attempt at the genocide of a race. Where is the apology for that? My “race” was demonized in America and abused in their own land. There were penal laws which forbade schooling, voting rights, land ownership, congregation, representation, and even the practice of their religion. Laws not seen in the West again until Nazi Germany. The Irish suffered its own holocaust and Diaspora, yet we do not use the past for advantage…we learned and grew from it..exerting ourselves to overcome. The litany of the “Irish experience” can go on, but in reality the past is behind us and we use it to grow out future.

I am not denying in any way the African Americans have had horrendous experiences, but I would like them and their leaders to recognize that MY ethnic group suffered also, and in many was as horrendous a manner. We Irish have not asked for any kind of apology or reparation…to the contrary, we have struggled and persevered.

It is condescending and does the discussion no good to not recognize that among those “whites” there is a wide spectrum of race, color, and creed. I thoroughly object to being called “white”…I am an Irish American, and I demand the respect of my race and in turn give that respect back to others. My answer to the “divides” among the races is to follow what my grandparents said…”You are Irish - a people who were railed against, demonized, and we have known discrimination of the worst sort. It does not give you a right to discriminate against others. It perpetuates the hate, and we haven’t the time for the hate.”

Once again, Mr. Williams, it was a masterful broadcast and, to be sure, it should not end with the one event; it should continue. If it is done again…I want to be there. Bold of me I know, but there needs be a balance that was not there.

Edward Hanlon
Potsdam, New York

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Andrea, Harrisburg, PA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:00:52 GMT

I am a substitute teacher at my local public high school, which is located four miles from a small capital city in the Northeast. Although the population in the community that this school serves is only 15% minority, DUE TO THE HIGH BIRTH RATE, the population of the local high school is 50% minority, most of whom live in apartments or low income housing that was plunked down in the suburbs in an effort to 'level the field' and make things better for minorities back in the 1970's. However this plan was not well thought out as way too much low income housing was built in lower middle class blue collar white neighborhoods. The abundance of the low income housing has resulted in very large numbers of minority children attending the local public schools and has placed a huge tax burden on white modest earning blue collar homeowners who are the ones paying huge school taxes they can't afford. Our local school tax rate is DOUBLE that of the surrounding communities/townships. Many of us can now barely afford to live in the modest subsurb homes and communities where we grew up because of this. How fair is this, and who is being discriminated against in this situation??

Throwing money and resources at the problem isn't going to solve it. In order to grow up to be successful and productive adults **all children need one to one adult quality interaction and relationships**-ongoing guidance and encouragement.

What people such as Michael Dyson should focus on is figuring out how to provide the one to one mentoring relationships and focus on encouraging people to only have the number of children they are able to support and care for properly--i.e., realistic and responsible behavior.

Factually speaking, there are more poor white people in this country than poor blacks and the cause of the poverty is the same: people having children before they have the means to support them, or having MORE children than they can realistically provide for in our present day very expensive and competitive society.
The simple fact is that a lot of the poverty and other social problems amoung blacks and other minority (and whites also) is caused by too many of the young women CHOOSING to have babies before they are married or have a means to support a child-- and before there is a suitably emotionally supportive environment into which to bring a child. The ATTITUDES and value systems which cause the young women to want to become mothers before they have the economic means to properly provide for children, is what needs to be changed.

Today, black and minority students have significantly more opportunties than white students, due to affirmative action quotas. Colleges and universities accross the country literally CAN'T FIND sufficent numbers of black students to admit. The problem is therefore is NOT racism-- it's that too many minorities, again, are born into troubled home environments--their home life, or lack thereof, is the REAL OBSTACLE to their achieving success.

My experience with the minority students is very much like that of the teacher from South Bend, Indiana whose post I quote below. However, in terms of the special educations students, when I have these classes, a very high proportion of these students I recognize as the ones who live in the low income housing located a few blocks from my own residence. They have been born to parents who had true learning disabilities (including in many cases, MR) who didn't stop to think what would become of children that they had who would likely inherit the same problem.

My husband has severe dyslexia (so severe he cannot read) and also inherited diabetes. A learning disability such as this is a huge obstacle to success in our print/reading based society because of the obstacles one faces EMPLOYMENT WISE. We chose NOT to have children based on this fact AND our realization that we had very troubled families, aged mothers to take care of, and absolutedly no family support. We would have loved to had children, but realized that the odds of our being able to provide for them properly were very slim given the objective obstacles that we faced as a couple. If we had not made this choice, and had gone on to have several children, we would be poor. The difference between many people who end up living in poverty and those who don't is precisely the ability to make such often painful decisions: it is BECAUSE people make realistic and responsible decisions like this that they remain *middle class* and don't end up overburdened and hence impoverished. This is the economic reality of the matter.

If people who, through no fault of their own, have significant handicaps, disabilities, etc.
and they choose to have children in very difficult circumstances, then the ODDS are going to be against them and they are going to be poor. And if people choose to have children before they attain the training and education to be able to support children, then they are going to be poor.

This combined with the fact that too many black and minority persons are being born into circumstances that are just too challenging for the children to be able to thrive, is what the problem is today--NOT racism. **We simply don't know HOW as a society to overcome the negative effects of a very troubled or nonexistent home environment.** The lifestyle of bringing children into situations and circumstances that are not suitable for their upbringing gets passed on from generation to generation. THIS is what the panel members should be focusing on, rather than harping about 'racism'.

Most of my 26 first cousins had ONE child per couple. Most of them would have loved to had MORE children but they realized they would not be able to do so without enduring economic hardship. Rarely do I see minorities having one child--the birth rate is usually much higher, making them correspondingly more impoverished. This is the REALITY we need to talk about. Are whites of modest circumstances racist if they don't feel they should be asked to pay ever increasing school taxes to support minorities having three and four children when they themselves can only afford to have one child or can't afford to have any whatsoever?? This is what it really comes down to in terms of reality.

The cause is NOT racism--it's that we live in a COMPETITIVE SOCIETY and raising even one child today is very expensive. . Therefore, I don't think that the black militant church preachers and academics such as Michael Dyson are very helpful. All they are doing is contributing to the negative attitude of the black youth. I believe people such as Bill Cosby have a more truthful and realistic message--take responsibility for your own choices, behavior and circumstances.

What what black members of the panel should ALSO be focusing on is the destructive media and what black youth are seeing as ROLE MODELS in their music and TV scene. (And that includes Chris Rock!)

They might better spend their time figuring out a way to provide better role models for black youth. They need to start speaking out against the negative role models of the black entertainers, instead of constantly blaming white America. Overall my experience is very much the same as the teacher whose post I quote below:

" Dear Panel,
I teach special education English and History in South Bend,Indiana. I have to beg my black students every day to come to school. They are smart, but will not acknowledge their responsibility to receive an education.
These kids have more opportunities in our high school than anyone could imagine. My students want to fail and brag about their arrest records, and living at juvenile centers. This year will be my 39th year as a teacher. I have no hope for these students, yet I go every day, and they call me names etc. and put their heads on their desks because they have no bedtime and ride around shooting at other cars all night. "

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Susie — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:49:58 GMT

I am responding to the CONTENT of the following previous post:

" Since, America was basically built on the backs of slaves. . ."

The America we live in today was EQUALLY built on the backs of poor European immigrants, most of whom were poor peasants, living lives that were arguable not that much better than slaves, who came to this country in steerage, with only the clothes on their backs and few possesions-- just before and around the turn of the 1900's. Once here, they slaved in the MINES and STEEL MILLS of this country, doing hard and brutal work that put this country on the map as an industrial power.

The reality of the matter is that MOST PEOPLE living today in this country are descended from these immigrants-- NOT from Southern
white plantation owners. Therefore most people living in the US today had NOTHING to do with the enslavement of black persons in this country. Why should they, whose parents (WWII generation) grandparents (the immigrants themselves) be expected to pay reparations for something they had nothing to do with and for discrimination which their parents and grandparents faced equally, and which many of them also continue to face??

As for the reparations paid to Native Americans: they are paid to Native Americans because the early white European settlers of this country virtually WIPED THEM OUT as a racial group--and this wiping out process was largely conducted by the Army of the
U.S. Government. This is not true of our black citizens--they have not been literally shot down and slaughtered by the U.S. Army, and their numbers have not decreased almost to the point of extinction.

Also, if we are going to pay reparations to all of our present day black citizens, then what about paying reparations to the descendants of immigrants who equally faced huge discrimination when they came to this country? You would be paying reparations to most living Americans. It's simply unrealistic.

Moreover, the ongoing reality is that **most of us** are discriminated against significantly many times in our lives, in many differing aspects. It's not just a problem that blacks face. I'm a 55 year old female facing severe age discrimination in the work place--I can't find a decent paying job, and I have no pension for retirement. I face increasing poverty as my life goes on from this point. Due to my age, I've become invisible in the work place- the only jobs offerred to me are minimum wage.

I've faced SEX discrimination every day of my life in the workplace, because my generation of women were the FIRST to even become educated and attempt to enter the workplace in professional roles. We had to fight our way in, opening doors for younger women who don't appreciate our efforts, which have made it FAR EASIER for them.

As a Catholic, I've also faced religious discrimination in the geographical area where I was born-- and still live and continue to face such. ** Blacks and minority persons are not the only ones who face discrimination that severly impacts their personal lives.** I was born blonde, blue eyed and very pretty. I'm educated and have an IQ of 133. I'm supposed to have all the characteristics that black persons seem to believe guarantee "success" in our society--only in today's society, which lives under the TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY--I've ended up being discrminated against severely simply because I possess these attributes!

Where is the national conversation on the severe job discrimination that middle aged females face?? In truth, blacks and minorities are MORE FORTUNATE today because they are OFFICIALLY recognized as minorities and society at large has taken up their cause and instituted policies that contribute to much more affirmative action in hiring etc. --far more than it has taken up the cause of middle aged white females-- and other peoples in our society who are significantly discriminated against.

In terms of addressing the severe problems of inner city poor minorities, we must move forward FROM where we are today, with an approach based on reality. The answer to the problems that poor blacks face today is found in finding a way to compensate for a lack of a suitable home and family environment into which many are born, developing mentoring programs to help young persons stay in school, and most of all, discouraging young persons from having children before they are old enough to support them.

WHATEVER THE CAUSE, it's the SOLUTIONS upon which we need to focus if we are going to make things better. Continuing to yack about 'reparations' and blaming whites for today's problems is not going to make things any better.

Finally we need to realize that the REAL problem is that today, wealth is becoming increasingly concentrated in the hands of a relatively small number of BILLIONAIRES worldwide.

For our society to be a place where blacks or anyone else have much opportunity--we need to have governement policies that strengthen, grow and protect the MIDDLE CLASS population of citizens. We no longer have those policies. We need to figure out HOW to get them back in a very complex and challenging new global economy.

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Billy Gee, Los Angeles, CA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:08:45 GMT

I watched both "Meeting David Wilson" and "A Live Conversation About Race." I thoroughly enjoyed both programs, but I am puzzled about the
fact that the 9pm and 12 midnight broadcasts of MDW did not occur, even though they were listed by my local cable tv provider.

What happened?

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Martha Salas, Santa Barbara, CA — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:38:53 GMT

The absence of men in African-American and Hispanic families is not that complex. I cite several reasons: a welfare system that offered compensation only if a male was not present, poor educational programs coupled with low expectations --a lethal formula, in my opinion. Finally, psychological. This is more tricky, however, much can be done with career-technical training in high school where academic and technical instruction is aligned. If a student doesn't choose college, that's fine. Let's face it, successful plumbers will send their kids to college. This would essentially give these proud men the dignity to provide for their families.

Finally, I agree that successful minorities have to become more involved in poor neighborhoods.

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Johnnie Morris, La Mirada, Ca — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:19:10 GMT

I am concerned about the results of polling the voters and how it shows racism - perhaps easier to show than sexism. If the voters look at only the issues each democratic candidate represents, then an analysis of the racial background of the voters should be neutral for each candidate. What is it saying about Black racism (toward whites) when 80% (a percentage reported in certain voting districts) of the blacks vote for Obama? Is it payback? Is it the issues themselves have a racial component? When will we, as a society, be mature enough to vote solely on character and issues?

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Craig Sinard, Plymouth Minnesota — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:46:24 GMT

When will "A Conversation About Race" - not "Meeting David Wilson" - be re-run? The conversation was as important as the doc, which is commercially available?

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Anita, Romulus, MI — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:02:37 GMT

Brian thanks for an admirable attempt to discuss race. The story of Meeting David Wilson is not unlike many other African American stories. I find it so sad that many Americans and particularly African American can not trace their history. Knowing where you come from is at the root of why so many of us are spiritually disconnected. Although the majority of us have managed to go deep inside and find a spiritually that keep us from acting out anger and frustration. Having an honesty discuss is important. However, first there needs to be a humbling of the male ego. The discussion will be painful, but it must continue.

I did want to add that the doll test was important. African American male have moved from the doll to actually picking white women over black women. It is all for the same reason the children picked the white doll. Self- hate, self-hate is equal to the problem of white supremacy and institutionalized racism.

Parents set example for their children, when Mrs. Rock’s daughter asked and wanted longer hair, what she should have done was taken the extensions out of her hair to show her daughter that she, Mrs. Rock thought of her own hair as beautiful.

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Mudcat Jackson, Loma Linda, Ca 92354 909-7961918 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:46:34 GMT

Brian,
Meeting David Wilson was an excellent program.
The people who speak loudest are not necessarily the people who speak the best on the subject and ethnicity. The great grandson of a slave and the great grandson of a slaveholder were and are able to engage in a meaningful dialogue and exhibit the best of human qualities as they explore their history.
Review your tape and you will hear the anger in some of the voices of the northern whites, so called blue collar workers.

The intellectuals and the college educated volunteers have and are making a contribution to the resolution of problems. But, listen to the words of the black Minister. He reminds us how African Americans thrived and survived before the Programs of The Great Society. Specifically, the critical role that the church played from birth to death. Think about it African americans survived capture, the middle passage, slavery, kkk, lynchings, separate but equal, Jim Crow but are having a lot of difficulty coping with integration. The latter has made things more difficult because the struggle has gone from a primary focus on race to one that is complicated by class. White southerners and African Americans have a heritage which is not shared by other White groups and Blacks who have lost their connect to their past.

Don't you find it interesting that poor Urban African Americans and White ethnics show greater hostility to each other, misdirected anger, and do not vote their interest. don't you find it interesting that poor white southerners and blue collar northerners proudly boast that they are republicans. Just think what their ancestors on both sides of the Mason and Dixon Line would think of this ironic eventuality.
Remind the poor Blacks and poor Whites that they should join the Latinos and vote their interest of they will end up where they are presently heading, the trash heap of history.
If anybody need change they do. In addition, they need more than anyone to call for the reinstitution of the draft which would eliminate the wars of choice and the implementation of Senator Biden's Diplomatic surge. These groups still do not recognize that they are not valued. After all of these years poor Whites still do not recognize that they are members of the underclass, socially, economically and politically and that they are being used when needed. They do not understand that they must compete successfully with the rest of the world or they will become extinct. They are sitting in their union halls complaining about unfair competition and wishing for the return of the industrial revolution. Tell them that they are just dreaming because the politicians will not.
They like their counterparts among the African-Americans and Latinos who by the way are here to stay, should be singularly focused on education instead of just talking about it. Tell them that China educated 300,000 engineers last year. Until we value the least of these we will not realize our dreams. Tell all of them that they must think of the future but remember the past. Those who will not see or hear and those who do not think will see no connection to our present nation condition and race because they are not valued and do not value their fellow citizens who do not look like them.
Brian, are we witnessing the decline and ultimate disintegration of the American empire do to in some measure our inability or unwillingness to resolve the questions of race and ethnicity ?

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NYC — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:35:02 GMT

I am an African American woman. My father grew up in the racist south. The only thing I heard echoed in his conversations about that era was how the black man wasn't respected. He helped to build this country, fight his war, but was still disrespected. Respect is what White americans owe African Americans.

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Michael, Greensboro, NC — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:12:17 GMT

I hope blacks in the US can force the media the media to quit defining them as urban gangsters, singers, athletes, or public assistance failures. Those categories are one small percentage of blacks overall in the US. Growing up in a mixed neighborhood, it was obvious the majority of black parents wanted the best for their kids and expected them to pursue education and opportunities. The disintegration of the family unit in black America since the 1960s is continuing to put generations of black children in great peril.
Some have mentioned reparations - that's already been done. It's called Lyndon Johnson's Great Society program, and continues as Affirmative Action, Minority set-asides for most federal and state building projects, etc. There is no country anywhere on earth that has done more for one minority race within it's population.

Michael, NC

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Natasha Patterson,Centerville,Ga. — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:26:53 GMT

First of all I would like to say hello to all. Second I read a comment by a Patti Tarbet, and she stated that she was or is a Teacher; after reading the comment that she made, I really think that she should change her profession. When a teacher speaks disparingly of her students you could only imagine the attitude that comes from her classroom and she's been teaching for 39 years. There is so much that can be said regarding this matter. I am just overwhelmed by the comments that I have been reading. I am a Dark-skinned Ameerican who finds it funny how we keep speaking about this, but no one is really speaking. I had a chance to watch the show on Friday not all of it, unfortunatly, but I feel that Kevin Powell, and the other panel addressed something and I wished that there could be more discussion on the SHADES of America and how that plays a big role in what we are talking about as well. Slavery as I have come to see it has really screwed up the mind of alot of people not just in America, but in other countries as well. Not only in America is dark skin considered a curse but in other countries as well this so called race thing is deeper than we all can imagine. Just ask Willie Lynch

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Riley TheShadow — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:06:59 GMT

I did not have the opportunity to see the program because of the Miss America/USA program. Here in Arkansas the program was not aired. I was truly disappointed.

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AL — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:44:56 GMT

Wow. How interesting. To everyone, the issue of race is important for many reasons and it seems many of those reasons have been addressed. Black Americans have been lost for centuries due to slavery and unequal rights. I loved the doll test b/c it showed that beauty of self is different among different races. Black children do see white counterparts as more beautiful. However, that is something that the parents have to continue to work on with their children. As a mother of 3, I work on that with my kids daily. I explain their genealogy to them so they know where they came from. It's important to know your past.

I agree with the comment of 'Why do we have to get over slavery when Jewish people do not have to get over the holocaust." Slavery has had an impact on our lives. Just look at the laws that had to be past to give us equal opportunity.

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Daniel, Tucson, Arizona — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:19:58 GMT

Dear Mr. Wilson,

You are my brother and your family is mine too. We are the family of man and we are all connected. Our value is equal in the eyes of our creator. Those of us who know this are the lucky ones and, I believe, the happier people. We have the joy of love for our fellow human beings giving light into our open hearts.

I admire you for what you have done, what you have overcome and for sharing your brave story.

Give Clarence a hug for me. His words of wisdom about strength and survival will stay with me always.

God Bless you Mr. Wilson,

Daniel

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Mike Manitowoc, WI — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:31:22 GMT

Black people were and still are enslaving each other and selling one another in Africa before white men ever arrived. To frame the slavery problem in purely white/black terms is wrong. It was and is wrong, but lets deal with what we have now and move on. This culture of victimhood is self-sustaining. Nobody is going to do things for you, but you. Want change? Change yourself.

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Jacqueline Bell — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:18:08 GMT

As an African American growing up in foster care not knowing who my mother was until adolescents, as well as my mother growing up in foster care and never knowing her mother....one thing that post slavery whites don't seem to understanding that there are soooo many blacks that don't have an identity. We don't know who we are. Blacks and whites need to have a more spiritual understanding of the effects of being oppressed and denied opportunity places so many of us at a major disadvantage and it has taken a long, long time to start making head-way to catch up. I have seven children with four attending college and I have absolutely no money to send them, but financial assistance, and my personal determination has made the dream of all seven attending college at least possible although it tremendously difficult, as well disheartening at times. The maximum annual income that I've earning in my 20+ years of working has been $20,000. Now 43 years old, and having been a single parent to these seven children for 13 years, I don't know if I'll ever achieve the American Dream as my desires would like to achieve. It's even more discouraging not having enough knowledge of where I come from, and why I've been at such a disadvantage for such a long period of time. I can only sum it up to having such a disparate past that will never be able to be undone..("There is no such thing as REPARATION") because you can't undo a history of despair, you can only make positive strives for the future. (Money can't undo despair and hardship!)

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Clovis, California — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:54:28 GMT

I hope you will relay this question to David A. Wilson: Why do you place all the blame for African slavery on Americans who bought your people and not on your own Black African ancestors who sold them??? This was common knowledge for many years, but this fact is no longer “politically correct,” so no one mentions it anymore: Wikipedia states: "Some slaves were captured by European slave traders through raids and kidnapping, but most were obtained through coastal trading with Africans." Yet African-Americans continue to think of Africa with admiration and condemn America. I doubt very many people of any race are aware of this truth, even those on the panel re race. I believe if this truth were taught to African-Americans, they would have a far different perspective on slavery.

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Tammie Wilson Pontotoc, MS — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:14:42 GMT

I hate that some people feel that the race issue will never be resolved. But I want David Wilson to know that his documentary has changed peoples lives, black and white, forever. I was so moved by David being so honest and open minded especially toward the white David Wilson. He spoke from his heart. And for the white David Wilson. Thank you for working so closely with this film and being honest. I am a white female. I have never owned a slave and don't know anyone that has ever been a slave BUT like the white David said in the documentary because of slavery our families have crossed and we have a connection. When I watched the film and thought about being a slave owner the first thing I thought was how could I treat someone like that. How could I feel good about myself acquiring wealth from some elses sweat and misery. To try and put myself in the black David Wilson's place, I don't know how to feel either. There would have to be mixed emotions like anger and sadness and being overwhelmed. We need to deal with the paths that have crossed and let the hatred and anger go. To do this I believe we need to see where we have been to know where we are going. On both sides. We need more education. Since I also have a good deal of Native American blood, I would like to see more films like this using American Indian. There have been movies but I mean a well made one like David Wilson did. Thank you David for a wonderful well made film.

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Jeanne Tompkins, Dawsonville, Georgia — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:01:22 GMT

I viewed this conversation on Saturday. I am almost 60 years old and a 35 year career teacher recently retired. I have taught almost every race. I agree there is a huge problem about prejudice about people of color. I am also caucasian. After all of the discussion, I have no answer. In my classroom as i taught, encouraged and loved my students, we had a relationship which was not based on color. I know I made a difference to those students and that It wasn't because of color. I would like for there to be a resolution. What can i personally do about it? I did not find and answer in your program, but the questions were good ones. I felt a lot of anger.

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John, Tampa, FL — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:08:25 GMT

Just saw the documentary and enjoyed it. One small criticism from my vantage of being older is that I think the documentary reveals some of the prejudice (or just preconceptions) of David Wilson which may be different after 20 more years of life experience. It would be interesting if the conversation would consider those preconceptions since they seem to be shared by so many blacks. But I'd like to say good job to him for the documentary.

As to the question, "What's wrong with black people", that is a provacative but great question to ask, though it maybe should go along with the questions, "What's wrong with white people" or "What's wrong with America."

What's wrong with black people? Here's my short answer: Lack of education, broken families, drugs. Simple as that. By the way though, these same problems are more and more problems of CLASS and apply to all the poor; black, white, etc. These issues both explanation of the currently disadvantaged and perpetuate disadvantage, and it purpetuates it for all races.

There are many things that need to be done to rectify "What's wrong with blacks, whites, and American." But Daisy in the documentary really points the way for us all... work on the problems now. Blacks, whites, anyone at a disadvantage now needs to become educated, turn away from drugs, and actively seek to create a society that provides jobs and better opportunities for the coming generation. All need to do their best to make themselves better and make their society better.

Government needs to play a part here by focusing on providing a good education for all and providing jobs to utilize education and enhance the living standards for all. This is different than simply creating an equality of opportunity. Opportunity culture at present leaves too many losers who never knew how to reach for opportunity until it was too late.

Government must reorient itself to creating an environment where a good living and better future is available for all, rather than just for the few. Hopefully the results of the next presidential election will return us to that path.

One last comment. If MLK were alive today I'm sure he'd be appalled by the the orientation of black youth today. It all seems a far cry from the orientation of the past generations in the streets singing, "We Shall Overcome" or the illiterates slaves who secretly learned to read. Instead of that, now we have BET which represents everything that is wrong with black culture... which by the way is the same thing wrong with all youth culture today.

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John — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:32:00 GMT

Here's a thought that occurred to me while watching the documentary: the documentary seems to feel that the issue of slavery is one just pertaining to blacks in America. Is this really true? Of course there is a legacy that blacks carry today as a consequence of their slave past. But slavery was not an invention of the white man... it has been a feature of almost all "great" civilizations up until the last two hundred years. David, read your history... the Summarians had slaves, the Egyptians had slaves, the Greeks and Romans had slaves, the Moors had slaves and many of the great black kingdoms of Africa in the 1600's were responsible for sending some of your forefathers here. Economies and societies without slavery are a fairly recent invention and the legacy of slavery has not yet been dissipated; thus the disadvantages that the black David Wilson has experienced. But Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a truly free and equal culture. We all need to work towards equality and freedom for all, that is the primary takeaway that our culture should get from a look at the racial past of America. But at the same time we all need to realize that the sins of past generations cannot all be hung upon those of the present. Otherwise we can go back and find blame enough for everybody.

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Mary Gordon, 4859 W. Slauson Ave., #230 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:45:21 GMT

Thank you for the program on David Wilson. America needed that. It was educational and positive.

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Judy Gash — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:46:01 GMT

I saw the replay of the David Wilson documentary (Bravo!)and the discussion afterwards. It struck me that we're not going to get anywhere in the conversation about race with mostly professors involved. We need "real" people talking to each other. Also, real leadership exists in the black community. They need to be more visible and more helpful. There are outreach programs that help women who have been out of the job market with everything from hairdos to resumes. Men in the black community need to help their brothers in this way so they can get jobs, stick with them, and help raise their families. I loved the documentary, but the discussion went as usual, down the tubes. Very disappointing.

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Hope, Fort Lee, NJ — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:15:59 GMT

While the doll test is disturbing, there have been world-wide studies of attitudes of children as young as age two toward what constitutes beauty in each other. The blond blue-eyed child won hands down, even among Japanese children who have high self-esteem on average. In India, lighter skinned Indians are considered more attractive by their own people. A parallel perception among blacks is not the fault of Americans or slavery. Self-esteem comes from knowing who you are and what you have accomplished, not what you look like or what you own. That begins at home.

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Hope, Fort Lee, NJ — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:16:55 GMT

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Cristi Moreno, Las Cruces, NM — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:29:35 GMT

As a viewer watching this discussion I was so taken by the enthusiasm from others in the audience when the professor rose to speak. His level of aggression and tone was not similar to what the overall presence of this discussion was trying to accomplish. It was the same manor that turns a lot of people off from engagement in these critically NEEDED conversations on the minority society. I would hope that if another similar session were to take place a more sophisticated tone could represent the university in the on stage panel. The organization and flow of crucial rhetoric can so easily turn chaotic when emotions out speak logical thought and civility. You could almost feel the intensity rising and audience control on the verge of being lost when he spoke and was encouraged by “WOOs”. This was the only moment in watching that I couldn’t help but shake my head in disappointment. There was such a conscious effort to keep order and hear from a diverse panel but that didn’t stop the professor from losing sophistication in the way he presented himself. One does not have to transform in talking and expressing themselves like a white person but there is a way to be understood with class. David Wilson and MSNBC, you took a brave step into a taboo subject with such a potentially abrasive group. It is shamefully unfortunate that not everyone else recognized your efforts.

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Willis O. Webb, Mt. Juliet, TN — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:52:32 GMT

The Conversation was interesting, but merely a new start at what was discontinued during the early 70's and totally annihilated during and after the Reagan years. I have too any and too lengthy of comments to post herein. However, I would highly recommend that persons interested in expanding their knowledge-base and viewpoints about the so-called "reparations read books written by Richard America ["Developing the Afro-American Economy" (1977), "Paying the Social Debt" (1993), and soon to be published "Lift the Hood”].

In a recent Harvard Business School magazine article, Professor America (Georgetown University) stated that his main interest has been to help decision-makers more fully understand causes of black poverty in the U.S. and underdevelopment in Africa and Afro-Latin world. "I've been working for many years on what is popularly and CARELESSLY known as 'reparations'...But I approach this with realistic expectations as policy analysis, not a cause. I'm attempting to correctly understand chronic racial inequality by putting it in a historical context and quantifying what I term is 'unjust enrichment.' The point is to measure coerced income and wealth transfer and diversion produced first by slavery; then by official segregation; and then by various forms of discrimination in employment, education, and other markets, especially in residential housing, access to business capital, and the like."....."My work goes far beyond what is usually expressed as reparations for slavery. That's because it also includes an ACCOUNTING for the transfer of income and wealth from African-Americans to whites, as a class, that took place during Jim Crow segregation, from 1865 to 1965, and during all forms of racial discrimination from 1609 to 2008."

To add to his many points and perspective, I would add that much too often Blacks are not acknowledged for the many great gifts and advantages that our fore-fathers'/mothers' labor, rape, and brilliance provided toward creating our country's greatness and wealth. Without us, Western Europe would probably still dominate the colonies; and perhaps we the en-slaved could have prevented Africa's further rape, and provided situations whereby we and other Africans and our families would be enriched by resources of Earth's richest continent instead of the Western World (OECD). Recall, thousands of years ago, Africa was one of the center of modern civilization.

But, I digress too much.

PS. - Pardon my being a nit-picker, but being a graduate of a tiny, all Black college, I was severely disappointed when Ms. Rock stated that she is "an 'alumni' (not alumnus) of Howard University!" Surely, the excitement and intensity of the discussion, occasion or moment must have caused her misstatement. But, as an old-Schooler, I could not help but cringe when she mis-spoke, recalling my Freshman English professor at LeMoyne-Owen College who did not hesitate to grade "F" any document containing one subject-verb disagreement.

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Willis O. Webb, Mt. Juliet, TN — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:56:59 GMT

Billy Bob and the many who share his ignorance are really part of the problem, not the solution. "They want rain without thunder and lightening."

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Larry, Seattle, WA — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:06:15 GMT

I've just seen the 19th April rerun of the entire program and would like to know if and when you will do another rerun. I would like to recommend its viewing by some of my friends. Excellent program!

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Hope, Fort Lee, NJ — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:53:27 GMT

I remember when there were no black dolls, no black families on sit-coms, no blacks in advertisements, no blacks serving as TV news commentators. Only a handful of blacks were visibly in positions of prominence.
We have matured as a nation and blacks, only 13% of our population, are rightfully represented in all of these today.

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Hope, Fort Lee, NJ — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:42:05 GMT

revised last sentence:

While only 13% of the population, blacks are reasonably represented today in most arenas.

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Foster Asomani, bloomington, Minnesota — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:07:18 GMT

I am from Ghana in west africa. I was amazed about how you both Wilsons came together to find the true about a question most people wanted an answer for many years. I have writen a movie which i want to develope the same way you did. I need help from you. Also I have many opinions to add to your film to solve the race problem. i am hoping to hear from you soon.

Thanks,
Foster Asomani

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t. henry — Thu, 01 May 2008 01:28:09 GMT

What I find so amazing about Pat Buchanan's speech is that he has forgotten his christian values. When he spoke of the so called programs that were created for African Americans, maybe he forgot the rest of the Americans it was meant for as well. It seems that this country has always found the African American people to be a threat but no one seems to look at most of the trends that are set by this group of people. The television portrays African Americans as violent and ignorant people, and seems that when one of the have the courage to show that they are talented then they are mocked as one of the good ones. What we need to consider in country is that not one race can survive without the other. Take away the money that African Americans spend in clothes, shoes, cars, and etc... Can this country actually say that it would survive without the African Americans, Latinos, and any other race besides the Caucasian. How can America fight in another country when they are still fighting a war in their own country. Maybe this country should take a step back and realize that we all need each other to survive. Think about 9/11 and how not one race suffered but all races suffered. An attack on America is an attack on all of us. Pat, maybe you should give that bible a second glance, because if you taught the African Americans such Christian ways than maybe you should already know that GOD doesn't hate. It is amazing how your speech seem to just appear on a website, but Jerimiah Wright's speech was neverending, especially on MSNBC. I guess that is the power of whitey (they like to quiet about their own)and over embellish on the others. Maybe television should start showing how real African Americans live and not portray them as violent, ignorant, or untainable animals. I guess our tax dollars are not as good as others.

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kay pompano beach fl. — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:07:32 GMT

is there any way i can find segment aired sat night@10:00pm and 1:00 am sun june 1 on sheriff shot and killed and criminal up for probation i believe this took place in georgia

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kahan, Fort Lauderdale Florida — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:30:53 GMT

After watching this broadcast television program I was compelled in my spirit to comment on what I witnessed. All things that we see happen on earth are not by accident but truly ordained by the Heavenly Father.For instance the enslavement of the so-called Negroes or African American people was prophesied in the Holy Bible or thee Torah.It is recorded in the book of Deuteronomy the 28th chapter and the 68th verse of our future captivity. Contrary to what is taught in the main stream educational systems. The Negroes that came to America and the West Indies on cargo slave ships are not Africans but indeed part of the 12 Tribes of the Nation of Israel. The true descendants of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob. What we are witnessing now is the fullfillment of bible prophesy. The visions and dreams that were given by Martin Luther King were not the thoughts of G_d. This was of his own vain opinion and he spake contrary to the will of the Heavenly Father.When you read Deuteronomy the 13th chapter verse 3-5 it gives you a clear understanding of this matter.If you ask me am I mad or do I seek monetary reparation from this government. I must say no on both accounts. But be not deceived G_d is not mocked for whatsover a man soweth that shall he also reap. Vengence will come from YHWH and though hand join in hand the wicked shall not go unpunished.We know that the powers that be have very good understanding of G_d's will but intentionally pervert his word. Those that enslaved us knew that this was destiny and we could not avoid it because of our disobedience to YHWH's commandments. According to Jerimiah 50th chapter and the 7th verse which states "All that found them have devoured them:and their adversaries said, We offend not,because they have sinned against the LORD."I can go on and on with prophesy. But know Ye this that the day of YHWH is hand.And as it is written in the book of Isaiah 55:11 "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: It shall not return unto me void,but it shall accomplish that which I please ,and it shall prosper in the thing wherto I sent it." Thus saith YHWH. I would be willing to discuss my findings with anyone who considers to call hemself a scholar ,a preacher or of any type of divinity to dispute the words of YHWH. In closing I leave you with this scripture in the book of Romans 3:3-4 "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of YHWH without effect.YHWH forbid:yea let YHWH be true but every man a liar." Amen.

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David Dickerson,Moncks Corner,SC — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:52:21 GMT

God created all the races on the sixth day of creation,just the way HE wanted to, so if any one has a problem with someones skin color--take it up with GOD! Don't believe me then study for yourself.