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The healthcare equation

Posted: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:57 PM by Daily Nightly Editor

By Robert Bazell, NBC News Chief science correspondent

Almost no one talks about health care reform without mentioning  the need to contain costs. Tonight we begin a two-part series about a collection of experiments run by Duke University that set out to rein in the price of medicine by actually improving care for patients with private insurance, those enrolled in the state’s Medicaid program, and those with no insurance at all. You can get descriptions of the various programs here: http://communityhealth.mc.duke.edu/quicklinks.

 

How can you improve care AND cut costs?

 

As Dr. J. Lloyd Michener, Professor and Chair of the Department of Community and
Family Medicine, told me, "What's really interesting is, everything we've tried has worked. Some things work better than others, but U.S. healthcare is so complex now, we spend so much money and get such poor results that it's not hard to make things better."

 

In these experiments, the Duke researchers started in the emergency room.  Everyone knows that the ER is the most expensive and inefficient place to provide medical care for people who do not have true emergencies. Yet many people go there even if they have access to a family physician they can afford. What's worse, by time they are in the ER, they are often very sick with a condition that could have been lessened or prevented with a visit to the doctor.

 

The Duke researchers interviewed people who are using the ER inappropriately and asked them what it would take to get them to doctors. As a result of those interviews, the Duke program set out to make its doctors offices more user friendly (more on that in tonight’s report), and set up satellite clinics in neighborhoods, including in high schools, and reinstituted the old fashioned home visit for those who have trouble getting to the doctor. So far the results are good.

 

As we continue reporting on efforts to reform health care this year, it is important to remember that no one knows what reform will look like if it ever comes, but it is fascinating to see what different experiments are underway.

 

Click here to see related reports:

Jan. 6: Can America afford to heal its healthcare?

Jan. 12: Massachusetts a template for healthy states


Jan. 13: Health care for all comes at high cost

 

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Dear Mr Bazell:
 Thanks for highlighting the need for change in primary care practice as a key part of health care reform. America's Community Health Centers have been working with the concepts of advanced access, short wait times, electronic communication, and patient centered team care for the past 10 years. We strive to be America's Health Care Home, while serving our country's most medically disadvantaged. In future pieces, I hope you will visit one of our innovative Health Centers to see how many of the principles that Duke University is studying have been put into practice.
Paul Kaye, MD
Medical Home Taskforce
National Association of Community Health Centers
Chief Medical Officer
Hudson River Community Health
Peekskill, NY
In "The Healthcare Equation" this evening, a vocation was mentioned with a misnomer. The proper title is "Physician Assistant" or "PA" not "physician's assistant" as was noted, verbally and written on screen, in the report. An apostrophe denotes possession or a contraction. Physicians do not possess (own) their assistants with whom they work. To place the apostrophe in the title so indicates that possession. My appology if this has a harsh tone, but the improper title has been a pet peeve of mine ever since I received training as a physician assistant while the profession was in its infancy.
office calls cost as much to see a physicans assistant as the doctor. my doctor works for our hospital. He has to charge what they tell him to charge. It costs me as much to see him as to see a specialist.
I am Chairman of a very busy Emergency Department in Brooklyn, NY.  The problem I see with primary care specialists is that our ER out competes them.  In our ER, we have a door to doctor time of about 35 minutes.  None of the local clinics in Brooklyn have those sort of numbers, and so patients frequently tell me "I did not go to my doctor because I can get seen quicker in the ER".  I think if we can fix those issues with the primary care clinics, that will solve the problem of patients coming to the ERs with minor/non-emergent issues.
I was going to send the story about Duke University and the Emergency Room survey that was on tonights NBC Nightly News to the CEO of my health care provider. I could not find the written version, (plenty of video though).  As I could not find it, I can not send it to the CEO of Lovelace, Albuquerque.  I am tired of waiting 20 minutes on their telephone tree to talk with my doctors nurse, and wasting an entire morning just to see a doctor.  Your story might have been a wake-up call for them, but NOW, they will probably never see it. I guess I'll have to watch more CBS, I can ALWAYS EASILY find a printed version of a story on their web site.
I was going to send the story about Duke University and the Emergency Room survey that was on tonights NBC Nightly News to the CEO of my health care provider. I could not find the written version, (plenty of video though).  As I could not find it, I can not send it to the CEO of Lovelace, Albuquerque.  I am tired of waiting 20 minutes on their telephone tree to talk with my doctors nurse, and wasting an entire morning just to see a doctor.  Your story might have been a wake-up call for them, but NOW, they will probably never see it. I guess I'll have to watch more CBS, I can ALWAYS EASILY find a printed version of a story on their web site.
There are so many important areas that need to be hit by healthcare reform. I have twins who are almost two years old and have severe asthma. We are at the doctor an average of once a week and also end up in the ER from time to time. The hardest part for us is the wait. At the doctor, who we always go to first, the wait is often an hour in the waiting room before we go and wait in the exam room. In the ER we have had times where the boys' breathing was so poor that we were ushered to the back immediately, but usually the wait is five hours or so. I always hesitate in taking my boys to the ER. Can it wait until morning when we can see the pediatrician? If we go to the ER, will they even be seen any sooner than if we wait until morning? My hesitation has meant we did not go to the ER at least once when we needed to, but has mostly kept us from adding to the chaos of overcrowding. I can only hope that soon we will see a drop in people at the ER because of pink eye, ear infections, congestion, and low grade fevers. Perhaps then those of us who truly need to be there will not hesitate so long potentially causing harm if we wrongly decide we think it can wait until morning.
Robert--

That was an excellent report! I really look forward to Tuesday's edition. It is very encouraging to realize that thinking outside of the box can yield positive results. Your series of health-care-reform reports have been terrific. Please keep them coming!
Hi, What a refreshing report on health care.  I was very happy to see that someone, somewhere is taking steps in healthcare with patient in mind.  I also was very happy that you included Physician Assistants in your report.  I have always received wonderful care from my doctor's PA.  PA's are certainly an asset to the medical field.  Loved the report
Based on my experience in rethinking and optimizing how work gets done - I am a firm believer in the power of small teams. The care team described in your video report is on the leading edge of a movement toward team-based delivery of service. Today's technology can enable decentralized small work teams, to exceed the service and productivity performance of large centralized functions (like call centers) ... not just in healthcare, but in many industries.
Hardly a comment about Giethner the tax dodger, and how our ethics depends on what party ones belongs to. I have never been so ashamed of our Congress. NBC continues to lack the desire to show how we political rationalize dishontesy. Sad sad
I am an internist who spends a third of my time on house-calls to homebound frail elderly and disabled. My practice saves Medicare and Medicaid enormous amounts of money by drastically reducing use of the hospital while providing care that is of much higher quality. My patients' live longer, are happier and healthier. Several of them spoke at an Obama Transition Committee Community Health Care Forum. The report -- complete with a financial analysis -- is available at therooseveltdoctor.com
I was wondering if you could provide the link to the video clip of the segment.  I looked and couldn't find it on the video page.  I saw it as a podcast but want to email the clip to someone.  
I found the link to the story:
Easing the strain on the ER

Jan. 26: Medical researchers at Duke University are studying ways to cut down on emergency room visits by making visits to the doctor a whole new experience. NBC's Robert Bazell reports.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/28863649#28863649
The Seattle-based HMO Group Health Cooperative has been using the model of health care you described in yesterday's video clip about keeping people out of the ER.  I have a whole team helping me including doctor, PA, pharmacist, social worker.  They do work as a team, and I'm a participant in a "teaching class" this team presents monthly.  It's been well over a year now and this is working quite well!
It is clear that the answer to lack of national healthcare is quite simple.
We need Medicare for all!!!!!
It wil cover everyone and it will also bring n additional funds when young and old, ailing and healthy become part of the system
Medicare overhead is only 2% compared to private Insurance which adds more than 25% in overhead.
Medicare works!!!!Just ask the seniors!!!!
Medicare is the best way to go now.
No time to lose!!!!


Pertaining to the Tuesday story about moving healthcare to the patient: The young man with asthma gettingcare at his high school, not just for his asthma, but caring for his illegitimate child. The school could teach responsibilty that you cannot meet at age 16, and why it is bad for society.
American can no longer ignore to heal the healthcare system, they should have started about 10 yrs ago, soon they will have the boomers to contend with, and guess what, they are not going to be able to pay for their health care, medication, donut holes, deductibles, out of pocket and copays, their insurance premiums...because many of them will not have a savings, 401K, etc due to crooked CEO's in businesses...so, what are you going to do with all those sick people.  Their better be national health care by then....as far as paying for it, start taxing the wealthy and the working young people/control the insurance companies, cut wages on Doctors that make outlandish pay....this can be done if you all have the guts to do it.
Healthcare fees vary within a provider, depending on insurance.  If one has Medicare with a Supplement, the patient pays NOTHING, if dr. is Medicare Provider, and the patient can pick ANY Medicare Provider dr.  I have seen a hospital or dr. bill be 4  or 5 times what Medicare allows, and they MUST accept what Medicare allows.  The poor patient with NO insurance is charged and MUST PAY the highest fee.  
When will everyone wake up to the realization that this will never happen? The insurance companies can not afford to allow a 'true' nationalized healthcare plan like Medicare to go forth (and yes, Medicare is efficient like the above poster said with a 2% overhead comparitively). They have stockholders to answer to- many of them us who have some of our retirements wrapped up in these same insurance companies in terms of our mutual fund holdings or stocks. So they will fight tooth and nail not to go under by lobbying vigorously against this type of reform. The insurance companies will say the country is better served by free market enterprise setting rates and letting we the people choose between competing plans. They will say a lot of things but the bottom line is that they want to stay in business. The flip side of this will be the thought that government has not done a good job with other "big ticket" programs, however in terms of Medicare a 'bigger' program may be the solution.


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