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Denver cops and protesters clash

Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:32 PM by Daily Nightly Editor

By Mike Taibbi, NBC News correspondent

 

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If you're on the protesters/security beat in Denver, as producer Mario Garcia and I have been, the question now is: “What's next?”

 

In the days and weeks before we arrived all the research we could gather about the city's law enforcement readiness amid the prospect of between 25- and 50,000 demonstrators...those were the predicted numbers on the websites of several major protest groups who'd been in contact with the Denver Police Department about their plans...suggested our beat could lead to a storyline that might impact the news generated by the Democratic Convention itself.

 

Then, on Sunday, there were around a thousand protestors in the first big march on the Pepsi Center. On Monday, around half that number walked along the crowded 16th street mall and then assembled for a “justice rally” in front of Denver's federal courthouse. And last night, perhaps 200 or 300 were involved in the first real “confrontation” with police.

 

Depending on which side was providing the descriptions, either the police used pepper spray and fixed batons without provocation to move the protestors out of Civic Center Park to the streets near the mall, where arrests were then made; or the protestors, many of them masked... intent on disrupting fundraisers scheduled for several downtown hotels and brandishing rocks or other projectiles...left the park on their own, blocked traffic and defied police lines to invite their own arrests. In the end, around 100 protestors were hit with misdemeanor charges of interference, blocking intersections and refusing to comply with lawful police orders.

 

There was a tense standoff on the streets that lasted hours, but it didn't lead to any further confrontations; and, overall, the numbers of protesters in town are still much lower than anticipated. Instead of tens of thousands of demonstrators, the city's uniformed presence of some 4500 fully riot-equipped personnel from all over the state had tens of hundreds or even fewer to deal with.

 

But the thing is... you never know. In fact Mayor John Hickelooper had told us he's a little nervous this week because “you don't know what you don't know.” In this YouTube/cable news world, when everyone with a cell phone or a camera can dominate the news cycle at any time with just the right video or images (or wrong images, if you're John Edwards or George Allen or Michael Richards or any number of now ex-cops caught on tape brutalizing a suspect or alleged suspect), you wonder where even the limited protest presence here might turn. We heard some ugly language last night, and saw that some had aimed their spray paint cans to write some ugly graffiti... "Kill a Cop, " "_______ the Pigs." We've met a few people positively aching for attention.

 

And as everyone agrees... the police chief, the mayor, and the protest leaders we've been talking to this week... all it takes is a couple of knuckleheads to create a situation that plays out not just as something ugly on camera... but perhaps even tragic.

 

59-year-old Barbara Cohen, an antiwar movement veteran and co-founder of Recreate '68, one of the biggest protest groups that's been planning for its DNC activities for years, was worried about the prospect of violence, but just as worried about the absence of passion she felt was responsible for the low turnout so far. "I just don't know," she told me, "what it takes to get people fired up anymore. People are so apathetic." And though some were "fired up" last night during the standoff with the police, Cohen doesn't think confrontation and violence are the answer to her movement's inertia. "That just gets you taken off the street," she told me. "And then you can't be heard..."

 

Anyway now the police and the protesters have engaged each other, and not happily. We watch and listen.

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MLK used to speak about the purpose of protest and civil disobedience as bringing the conscience of the nation to bear on a regions and practices that would otherwise go unnoticed.  And to do that in his lifetime you needed to bring news cameras and national attention, which meant large organized protests and photographable confrontations that, while real, ugly, and poignant, played out almost on a schedule.

Today, it's fascinating, as you say, to see how cell phone cameras and other portable recording devices are changing the very architecture of protest.  If authorities or culturally influential people misbehave anywhere, whether they be Baltimore cops, politicians, or popular celebrities, their actions can easily still show up on the evening news, even without the level of organization that went into those 1968 protests.  And not only are authorities being actively surveilled by citizens, more and more often they effectively record their *own* incriminating actions when they use technology - think Kwame Kilpatrick here, whose text messages became court evidence.  Organized protests can still be powerful things, but they're no longer the only way to bring the national conscience to bear on many issues.  The decline in their popularity, I think, reflects the realization that today there are many ways to be heard, and to make a difference.  That means the people who organize them need to be careful to realize this and use protests only when they're the most effective option - after all, if no one shows up, it only undermines your message.

Anyhow, I'd be interested to know what the protest concerns - too often, the only things that get discussed are the disruptive actions taken by a few, not the message of the groups who are organizing.  For instance, why are antiwar protesters coming to Denver?  The Democrats, after all, are running on a quicker troop withdrawal schedule than the Republicans this year.  Or are they protesting both conventions on the principle that troop withdrawal should be immediate?
Beijing and or Denver security or suppression looks to me from the  TV that we are turning Into one world. The  Mayor of Denver " he's a little nervous" we should all be a little nervous for freedom.   thank you
Hello, This is in regard to Hardball.  It's totally ridiculous for Chris Matthews and co-hosts and guests to be sitting outside in Denver where that incredibly small rabble can cluster behind them and do continuous, pointless shouting.  It's distracting and nearly drowns them out a lot of the time.  I can't believe that MSNBC or NBC seeks such cheap tricks to get and hold attention.  Obviously the rabble knows cameras and mikes are there, so it's non-stop as well as pointless.

Not only that, it adds to negative public reaction to the Dem party's apparent choice, Obama.

It's not important, but watchers have no idea why they're there.  I guess some are bitching soreheads claiming it's "unfair" that Hillary blew her campaign and lost.  So what??

Please move those guys into a grown-up area so we can hear and enjoy your stars!

Thanks,
I just want to say that I am thrilled to see Luke Russert on your DNC coverage.  He is doing a great job and at such a young age.  I hope to see more of him in the future
Mike,

Please pass this on to the technicians at the convention.

The audio mix for the convention floor on MSNBC is terrible. I've listened on several TVs - stereo, mono, surround - and the convention floor "room" noise is far too high.

The room mikes are so high that the speaker, floor interviewer, etc. are mostly obscured by the room noise. I could barely hear Ed Rendell's speech.

Whose on the mixing board, John McCain?
So, what's to protest?

Obama is willing for Fla. & Mich. to vote NOW that he is the only one they can vote for--THAT's CHANGE?

Obama doesn't understand the hardships of Jessie's & Al's people as much as this old, white, Southern boy----BUT THAT'S NO CHANGE FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!

Obama is a Senator, a lawyer, a northeastern pointed-headed liberal-int-i-lectual, raised in Hawaii, by his white family, but he needs black, white, asian & hispanic votes--SO COLOR HIM CHAMELEON.

Senators Kennedy, Kerry, McGovern, Biden, that are (where did John Edwards attend law school?) from the northeastern pointed-headed, liberal, Ivy League backgrounds, they also have in common their failed attempts to become president, and they chose to back a junior senator whose only claim to fame is paternal ancestory--what did they have against Hillary?  Don't think I would have voted for her, but at least she earned her stripes.  SO, WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

Senator McCain; Senator Obama; Senator Kennedy; Senator McGovern (retired); Senator Kerry; Senator Edwards; Senator Biden; [to those that want to include Senator Clinton, may I point out the elephant in the room--wrong gender] SO ONE MUST BE APPROVED BY THE WASHINGTON INSIDERS TO BE NOMINATED & be a good ole BOY--WHERE'S THE CHANGE?

I just can't get over Obama's borrowed line from Kerry**I voted to let them vote after I first voted to deny their vote! WHERE IS THE CHANGE?  in u r mind
This is in regard to the Political Panel during the MSNBC coverage of the DNC just before and after Hillary's speech ... Pat & Rachel kept talking about need for more 'red meat' and 'knifing' of McCain ... they spent so much time repeating it that I never got to hear some of the governors' speeches that did just that .... I had to read them in my local morning newspaper .... it would have been nice to at least SEE some clips of such highlights instead of filling all that time with yadda yadda yadda.... for instance, Patterson of NY "If McCain is the answer, then the question must be ridiculous..."  or the really rousing address by Schweitzer (his style alone is worth seeing)... or Sebelius "I'm sure you remember a girl from Kansas who said there's no place like home.  Well, in John McCain's version, there's no place like home.  And home. And home. And home."  Just a couple minutes devoted to such clips ... sure would add some variety to endless chatty analysis and add at least a little 'jabbing/stabbing' (if not knifing) at McCain.  


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