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Getting personal on interracial relationships

Posted: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:29 AM by Sam Singal

By Mara Schiavocampo, NBC Nightly News digital correspondent

I know a lot about interracial relationships. I'm the product of one. My parents - married over 30 years - are an interracial couple. My mom is Black, my father White. It's been interesting for me to tackle this issue in the piece "Love, In Black and White", because it gives me an opportunity to compare my parent's experience as an interracial couple in the 1960s to what's happening today.
 
I've heard the story a million times. When my maternal grandmother discovered that a White man was coming to take her daughter on a date, she decided to sabotage their budding romance. When my father knocked on the door my grandmother answered with a t-shirt full of holes. She was eating a hot dog - no bun - with her bare hands. She stripped my twin cousins, toddlers at the time, down to their diapers and had them run around the apartment like little hellions. She was trying to make a bad impression and scare off my father. Thankfully for me, it didn't work.

                        
                Mara's parents, Hazel and Rino, with paternal grandmother, Maria
 
They faced other challenges as a couple. On one occasion a group of thugs from my mother's neighborhood met my father at his car and issued a not-so-subtle threat, saying, "It would be a shame for anything to happen to your nice car." "Yes," he agreed. "It would." And he kept seeing my mother.
 
One thing that I always found interesting was that in my parent's case, the Black community was more resistant than Whites.
 
Overall, the women I spoke with for my story have had a much easier time dating interracially these days. When I asked about discrimination they answered with a collective shrug. But when pressed about the response from the Black community they did start to talk about people giving them a hard time. "People in our communities will put their hands on us and say, ‘What are you doing?’" said Nikki Doughty, founder of the group Black Women Who Date Interracially. You can see more of that group discussion in "Girl Talk"
 
If you haven't seen it yet, you should check out "Love In Black and White". In addition to the women I mentioned, we hear from Essence Magazine  Editor-In-Chief Angela Burt Murray, and many others. And after you watch, I hope to hear from all of you too.

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I see nothing wrong with interracial marriage, never have  Of course you always hear "what about the
kids"? the implication is that they will have a touch row to hoe but don't we all.  Max's partner on dancing with the Stars is biracial and she is stunningly beautiful and I would be proud to have her for a daughter.  Just my opinion.
Maria -
Thank you so much for writing about this.  

In my family - old time New Englanders - we have had marriages and adoptions involving other races and cultures, fortunately without any problems within the family. However there were some who couldn't stop peering at one of my nieces  - a beautiful toddler with a Korean mother and an unknown father.  We always hoped it was more admiration than curiosity.
It seems to me that there are a lot of concerns about the future of the Black family, but what does the "black family" really mean? How do you describe the black family, we have always been part of assimilation to some degree some by choice and some not. Some interracial couples may do a pretty good job of educating their children about black history and awareness which in turn will allow them to contribute to the well being of the black community. On the other hand a traditional black family who neglects to educate their children about the psycho- social issues may send their child off to an Ivy league school and whoops...s/he gets "educated" and runs out into the community gets a "great job" and proceeds to be the next Condeleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas who grew up in the south married a white women and became a "hater" of black people. Bottom line it is about education, self esteem and what you plan on contributing once you "get yours" It is how you live your life,and respond to the community, not necessarily who you decide to marry.
Mara  I wont live to see it but all of the United States will be interracial.  Most don't know their interracial right now it's all in the DNA. Race has always been the US's biggest problem.  I notice how the Church has become part of the Government yet no ones recognizes that we are all from one.  My teacher told my class to see how many babies in a nursery complain about who their next to and then read the headstones of those in a cemetery.  The problem of race is only in the middle of life, not at the beginning and not at the end.  My family is mixed with every culture so I just sit back and enjoy the ride. Racism is taught it's not a part of how anyone is.
As God is the Father of us all it will be interesting to see how those who are prejudice explain by they can't sit next to a person of a different race.
If I can find love and happiness with a person who is not of my ethnicity does it mean I do not love myself?  Is it to say that all that I am is tied solely to my ethnic background?  Can nothing be said for someone who meets YOU where YOU need to be met?
Growing up, I was taught to treat others as you want to be treated. I see no color. We are all human beings. I get tired of the issue of race being brought up. It's superficial to only stop at one's skin color when making a determination as to who they are. We must go deeper than that and allow ourselves to learn about others and assimilate.
 I truly appreciated this segment because it deals with an issue that is very relevant to women like myself. Though, I wished they included interracial relationships other than Black females/White males. I am especially interested in the growing number or Black female/Asian male relationships.  I am a black, female college student who is in a culturally diverse environment on a daily basis, so the idea of "interracial" dating is not even a big deal to me because I see people as individuals before I even consider their "race".
I find it difficult to understand why one would limit their possibilities to find happiness and companionship based on skin color.  It would be just as superficial to say I will only date someone with green eyes.  How does that in any way reflect what an individual has to offer in a relationship?  I think internet dating has opened the door to interratial relationships.  You have the opportunity to learn about someone from the inside- before you even know what the outside looks like.  I was always taught that this is what is important- who you are inside and how you treat others.  I hope my children will live in a world that will not place unfair burdens and barriers on who they should or should not love- after all- this is not an emotion I have been able to turn on and off easily, I feel for those in relationships that make them happy, but are plagued by the judgement of others.
Let me get this straight . . . a black woman who met her husband from an ad she placed on Craigslist specifically asking to meet white men says that it's wrong to seek out a person because of their race?  Does she not see the irony of her words?

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Mara,
I'm so glad you've brought this subject up. I think that this is an issue for all races. I really related to the one woman in girl talk who said at the end of the day men are men.  This is why I had always had my eyes open. I've dated black,chinese,mexican and my own. In the end I still think men are men :). I always tell people every person has their bad traits and their good  traits, you have to decide which combination of these am I willing to accept?
For Dean: It is an extra challenge raising a multi-cultural household (ahem try incorporating English,Irish,German,Dutch,African,Chinese and two tribes of Native American in your festivities haha what fun), but I think children are naturally drawn  to these things they want to know what our past was like and its our duty to share all of it with them the good ,the bad and the ugly. It's also our duty as humans to make our children lovers of all humankind.In some cultures they call it treat people how you want treated in others they say don't do what you don't want done to you in the end its all the same. Well I'm going to get back down off my soapbox now I think everybody understands what I'm trying to say.
Amen Betty Griffin!!!
I support interracial relationships also! My ONLY problem is that when a Black man is with a White woman almost everyone attitudes changes!! They will support a White man with a Black woman, but when the roles are reversed some of these same women will give the "dirty looks"!! Why is that?? If its okay for one why have the double standard for the next??  
I support interracial relationships also! My ONLY problem is that when a Black man is with a White woman almost everyone attitudes changes!! They will support a White man with a Black woman, but when the roles are reversed some of these same women will give the "dirty looks"!! Why is that?? If its okay for one why have the double standard for the next??  
Interracial dating is all good but how do Black women reconcile being with the race of men who PRESENTLY
oppress their men? Denial is prevalent among Black women. I believe that even if our men were being
lynched at a much higher rate than they are Black women would rationalize that and be with them.
The Black Doll Test still shows that Black girls
choose the white doll above the Black. Do we need to hide these facts and lie in the name of promoting interracial dating? Some are asking the question 'Are Black women the Enemy?'
What about black woman dating asian men, hispance men? Interracial relationships are still interracial if they involve two "minorties." I would have loved to see the statistics on these relationships too!! I am all for interracial dating, as a black women I have dated men from all races. I don't believe in discrimination...in any form. Broad you horizons and you'll find friends *and love* in all places.
Well as a black female I see color. I see the color of your skin just like I see the color of your shoes. What I won't do is judge you or discriminate you b/c of your color. That "I don't see color" jargon is a joke. Secondly, I have a problem when people prefer one race over another when finding a mate, that is the problem with interracial dating. It isn't the fact that two people from different ethnicity are together but the possiblity that the black man, white women, white male, asian women choose their mate b/c of their race.
I believe that God created us all equal.He did not see
a black/white race.He created man/woman.I feel that if an interacial couple was mature in every way putting God first in their lives.Then I see nothing
wrong with them marrying.
I applaude those who had the guts to date and marry outside of their race.We as a society,family,friends should embrace them not tear them down.

I feel that a white man with a black women is supported more b/c that is the way it has been all the way back to slavery.It was the black man and white woman that was forbidden to have a relationship.
I believe that more people would have tried a interracial relationship but they were afraind of the consequences that they might have had to endure.

I am a black woman who has been married to a white man for eighteen months. I fell in love with the beautiful, loving man that he is and did not seek him out just because he is white. Love is love. I have thoroughly enjoyed this whole series on African American women and the report on interracial relationships was of particular interest since I am married interracially. I applaud NBC for starting a wonderful dialogue on these different aspects of the lives of women like myself.
i feel that interracial dating among minorities is fine,such as black and asian,or any other person of color.my problem with white and black dating is the history and also the way black people ar treated by white america still today.i believe the only reason whites want to date black people is to further divide our family's and our communities,love has nothing to do with it,when black men and women stood together,our communities were stronger,our children were better off as a whole and economically our communties were more vital.please don't be fooled by white peoples trickery anymore.and furthermore,in america there has always been interracial dating,this time black women are not being taken behind the wood shed,they are making the decision to be with white men.how can sleeping with the enemy be beneficial to any person of color?the jails are feeled with our men,due to the unjust justice system,77% of our children have no fathers in their life,and black women are dieing at a higher rate than anyone in this country from  AIDS,we have way more important things to think about than dating white people.the majority of white people in this country are still racist,even the ones who date outside of their race,talk to some of the people who have married whites,especially the white women,are the most racist of them all,she hate black women and love the black man?remember this is 2007 and there has never been  any effort to right the wrong that slavery and oppression has done to all people of color,but now they want to sleep with us and marry us,yea right.and  for those of you reading this comment,black women are not the enemy,we are just fed up with having to clean up the mess made and left on our doorstep by white america,and it would be a big help if black men would start to be more concerned about the future of his women and children,instead he is more concerned about being excepted by white people.hmmm...would it be the slave still trying to win the approval of his master?
i was very disappointed with the IR segment of the series. it seems these women were looking to settle with any non black man because they couldn't find a black man (which is a lie). one practically admit to it. no race of man should be chosen simply because you couldn't find a suitable mate within your own race. that is sending the wrong message to non black men and i would not blame them one bit if they would not date/marry these type of women.
I'm proud of the accomplishments of black women and it's true that sometimes you all do not receive the recognition that you deserve. I've enjoyed the series and I hope to see more time spent on the various topics in the near future.

I am a professional black man, single, dating, living in DC and I wanted to raise a few questions/comments.

First, black men -- for the most part -- are not upset about you dating outside the race because we understand how hard it is to find peace and harmony with someone too. So go for it!

Second, remember that what really attracts/keeps a man is not your occupation but how you make him feel as a person regardless of his occupation. If you loose your ability to work or your occupation get's outsourced , don't you want people to respect you for who you are?

Third, if your going after professional men, remember that they are use to being catered to in the market place so be prepared. Now that you are in the big league remember to replace drama with sensibility, and learn to share the contents of your wallet.

Fourth, I see a total lack of critical analysis on the part of some the women interviewed. Some of you are indirectly saying that your perfect just because your educated, go to church on Sunday, own your own home, and work in corporate America. The truth is, that based on the statistics mentioned in the series, it can be interpreted that men are literally avoiding you as potential wives. If that's the case I think the issue should be explored further.
As a black woman from Jamaica. I too am in a interracial marriage. While in college at NYU, black men didn't seem to find me a suitable partner due to being considered "homely, or pretty for  a dark-skinned girl". I was told that I studied too much. To tell the truth, in my heart and mind, I was there for a main purpose, to get an education. I believed that marriage could wait. I had places that I wanted to visit. Things that I wanted to do. I was not in college to find a husband. My father and I had a conversation about what he wanted for me -- a man who loves God and will be a true provider for his family. However, as time went by, and as I graduated from college, Dad became even more vocal about me getting married and him wanting grandchildren. It was on a trip from Ghana, when I met Keagan. We just chatted, and found out that we worked within a block of each other. We were friends first. He courted me. Our families were ok with us until three months later when we got engaged. Here we are 20 years later with twin 18 year olds sons and a 16 year old daughter , I am happy and I have taught my children to love both their Jamaican heritage as well as thier Scottish heritage. I thank God everyday for my loving family. It took my father and his family almost a year to accept the union, but what made me proud of Keagan was the fact that he stood up one Thanksgiving and stated that we were unapologetic for loving and respecting each other. He turned to my father and his mother and stated emphatically that he appreciated and respected my father for raising a strong woman, who can stand up to him and his personality, but that he is here now. He stated that I was now his responsibility. He asked that my Dad allow him to be the main man in our lives. Everyone was silent. You could hear a pin drop in a the middle of a pond.
I am pleased to see the Black Women's dating challenges (and options) presented on this series...Hope to see more in the near future...Black women MUST know, and spread the word about our many options...The US & abroad has a lot to offer...I discuss this in detail in my blog "Black Women Deserve Better" http://thecwexperience.wordpress.com
As far as the interracial dating issue is concerned, I do not understand what the big fuss is really all about.  I don’t blame black women for not wanting to be with black men, and I don’t blame black men for not wanting to be with black women.  Sometimes when members of a particular group are too much alike, or when they know too much about how the group truly operates, the members will not get along. This appears to be the case with black women and men.  I personally believe that the disposition of black women and the demeanor of white men and other nonblack males make them more suited for building relationships together whereas the disposition of black men and the demeanor of white women and other nonblack women make them more compatible for building relationships together.  Slavery was a violent and demeaning part of our U.S. history, and it cannot be denied that at that time white men had undeniable access to the bodies of black women.  However, it was also during that same time period that black men begin to garner desire for the forbidden fruit of white women’s bodies.  Now that the bars have been lifted, both of these attractions can be nurtured in a constructive, consensual, and noncombative manner. I say, “Live and let live.”  
I wonder if NBC would also do a story on the black men who marry outside of their race.  Especially ones with money, like Tiger Woods and Seal???
My comment is this:  Please, before you put your opinions out there for others to read, first and foremost, learn how to spell.  

The scriptures say that God is not partial.  I try very hard to respect this but personally, there is nothing to me quite as satisfying as a brother.  His expression, his complexion and the way he moves inside his skin.  I cannot get my mind wrapped around the idea of bringing home someone who is of a different race and clueless when it comes to what my grandfather, father, brothers, uncles, cousins and my sons have endured simply because of the color of their beautiful skin.  I see this as an insult and then again, why should I settle for a copy when I can have an original. I do agree with the comment of Jackie Rawlins from Riverside, California that ultimately, the entire race will be interracial but until then, I'm all about the black.
Mara:
Like you, I am also the product of an interracial marriage. Having Greek and African-American heritage. I feel as though I got the best of both worlds! Let me tell you, it was never boring in my house, especially on the holidays! Where my dad celebrate Greek and Catholic holidays! I felt special! I didn't know everyone's family wasn't this way until I went to school and somebody said: "who's that white guy picking Cheryl up?".

I think the way to grow is to embrace our differences. I know you feel like I do, I'm sure glad my parents didn't fold under the pressure....I wouldn't be here!

Cheryl Petratos
marsha frankly you are a racist idiot! white white white, we're not the problem sweetheart! Look at your words. You are the only one spewing racist crap so grow up and stop blaming other people for your problems; thats nothing more than a cop out for a crapy life!
i have no problem with interracial relationship and ive been in two. yes people say they worry about the kids, or maybe the religion. you don't have to decide on a religion for your whole family. introduce your children to each religion and have them decide which one they like better, but make sure they know that they will be loved either way. Kids do have some part, but seriously look around how many interracial kids (teens) do you see walking around you see tons. we even have people running for president that are interracial. i was raised to not care about race, religion, or sex. today i still live to that. i disagree with some of the people that said we (white people) date (blacks) just to separate communites. i don't think about it. if i get treated badly by somone i'm not going 2 date them. but if i get treated like i should then i'm going to go out with them. i am a teenager. i'm the future of america. racisum should of died years ago. if you look at it. the younger generations are not racist. its the older generations. we've settled our problems. why can't you
oh yea. and if you were smart you would know we are no different besides the amount of melanin in our skin. yea. black people have more then white. WERE THE SAME! sorry to break that to you. and white people are here for the same frikking reason you are to FIND LOVE so get over yourself and learn that. i love my boyfriend. i always will. and if you don't like me cuz i'm white and hes black then i c that as your problem. and i don't really care because i'm in love with him! remember. were all the same just our genes are different. wow an 19yr. old sounds smarter then you.
I would have no problem my daughter dating or marrying a black man or whatever race. I've grown up in an all white school most of my life, but my last year in school I decided to go to a race diverse school. However, my only predjudices have been with thugs. No matter what race they are. I have no respect for those who have no respect for others, themselves or the law and I especially have no respect for those who don't try to take care of themselves first by having a job and their families if they decide or choose to have one. I dislike irresponsible people who don't take life serious. As for the part where I read someone who disliked people preferring one race over another, thats just a personal preference you can't change. If someone is attracted to a person of another race thats something you simply can not control. You are your own person with your own preferences and decisions in life. I look at the whole world as one big family and especially the US. We are certainly related in some way by now.
Message to Marsha Dickerson, from Washington. If you could just re-read what you wrote today, you would probably see a bit more clearly. I don't think that your message is of an intellectual sort. Whose is this White America? Why isn't it Black, Asian, Native American, Irish, German, Hispanic, ect.? Your ideas and thoughts are closed minded and you have no understanding or logic.
I know what my sisters mean...it's hard to find a decent hardworking man much less a man of color. As one of the 42.4%, I have to look beyond my race too.  There's a saying here in AZ that if you didn't bring him with you, you won't find a brother here.

Many seek out White, Hispanic, or Asian women first.
When you see these couples in social circles, the men literally look down their noses at you.
I too find White women with Black men act the same way.  

I don't find White males out West as open to interracial dating as they may be in the East.  Acceptance is still an issue for a lot of people when it comes to African Americans periods.  Even people from other countries and cultures stereotype us.  

I would like to see more Black men in the work force than in prisons or cemeteries.  Most are dying very young (13-25) due to senseless violence.  I think all women are aware of the bisexuality & homosexuality issues out there and Black males are part of both groups.    

I do think you should look within you own race and culture first but if love calls...you'd better hurry as the song goes.

Good luck to anyone that finds it.  It's not easy.  
I can not for the life of me fanthom what is going on today, to say that the dissolution of the black family does not matter as long as the family teaches their children respect and acceptance for both races. Who cares? All i care about is the fact that the african american community is struggling and i think a big part of it is because blacks no longer embrace what it means to be black. Strength, perserverance, and a will to beat the odds. And you want to say that we have reached an important level bcause some lost brothers and sisters think they done something special by marrying outside of their race. How about marrying with in your race and raising beautiful black children who have the will to help our failing community. Embrace who you are and take a deeper look at why you so fervorently search for that "other" lover.

If people weren't so hell bent on what other people thought, and weren't so closed minded and used to living in fear, there would be a lot more interracial relationships and also a lower divorce rate.  
I happen to be married to a woman who is(white),and she is the love of my life..."There is no distance between 2 souls"...we both have been married before and have bi-racial children...(we) meaning my wife, ex-wife,and all of the grandparents and host of family members and friends have taught them the reallity of life, and how ignorant people can be...However, we show them everday that color means absolutely nothing...I'm very fortunate to have grown up in a multi-cultural family that places value on loving someone and not focusing on the color of their skin...We need to accept the changes of a the world we are living in...diversity and change are good for everyone...
I am a white woman married to a black man, I have never been happier. Our lives are full of love, respect,and companionship. It makes no difference what color a person is, it is about your inter happiness not the outside world. We have a beautiful little boy from this union and he is being taught to love all people, respect all races and most of all love himself for who he is. If people do not like it, tough, spend your time fixing your own families problems and leave us to our happiness. If you were happy within your family, you would not have time to  talk about someone else's family.
my view on this is that, i do not think that people should judge by colour because we are all human. If we are teaching kids of today that interracial friendships are bad and dating a person from another race is out of the question, this racial battle we have will never come to an end and it should. Love is based on whats on the inside not on the outside, if it is based on what is on the outside then something is very wrong. We shouldn't talk about it as a problem , personally i think it is very beautiful and like any other love, thats how it should be.
Being a half white/half hispanic woman dating a black man, I am used to the negative responses. I have had women come up to my man in front of me and tell him that he needs to be with a black woman. It's really hurtful and I still can't fathom how someone can say the reason why white people want to date black people is to mess up the "black family". Wow. Because everyone of the white race is born with this evil motive?? My family is mixed with about every race and I think its beautiful to see us all come together and celebrate all the peices of what we are. God is love and love does not discriminate. The world is not perfect, but why waste your time on something like color? A certain someone on here wrote about black women dying from AIDS, so they have more to worry about than dating white people.....Wow. It takes more energy to hate than love.
I am a woman that fell in love with a beautiful mn 7 years ago. It does not matter to me that i am hispanic and he is black, because when the lights go out my soulmate is beside me. We have Three beautifu;l girls and i am expecting our fourth child now. I don't behlieve in this whole being with one race thing because we were given the instruction to "be fruitful", and the race was not specified. Being happy and truly loving your mate is all that should realy matter. Forming a family with the one you love should not be shattered because of other people's opinions about love. To be honest, during our dating period we had more haters than lovers, but that did not stop us from loving each other. When God comes back to judge his people accordingly, there will be no excuse when he asks those people why they were being judgmental. God bless all of you!
I am a dark skinned Black American female and my husband is a white Turk; we're both highly educated and there is a six year age gap.  My only issue is that I love to support those who love others that have been constantly derided by this American society. Those people such as Black females or Asian men who have, for some reason or another, not been considered as a valuable commodity as a potential life partner.  I found the statistics in this Wikipedia article based on the US 2006 Census interesting; and, it makes me wonder if I want to raise my children (since I have the option of Turkey) in a mainstream America that seems to still be suffering the aftershock of Reconstruction?  Here is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage
well mine's a different case,i am a black african single lady who is naturally attracted to fine white men,what do you make out of that? i have dated a few and  i'm sure some day i'll end up with one thats why i like to read on interratial everything.Its my dream and i'll make it come true..
My parents have told me that if i date a black man they will want nothing to do with me i am a brazilian girl and i have accepted all races from the time i met my first friend. My adoptive parents are white so they think i should only date the typical white male. I am far from what is conceived as the norm. will there ever be a time where the preconcieved norm will be changed? and the decisions i make accepted?
To each their own! Do what you will with you and yours but leave me and mine alone! some like dark some like light some like tan some like man some like woman some love GOD and some don't.
Racism is wrong… No matter what form it is in…
But I live in America where I can say whatever I feel…..
Freedom of Speach…
Even when I do not agress with the Free Speach….
I must allow the Speach to be spoken
So I may be albe to Speak….
I'm in an interracial relationship with a man from Africa, my older sister is a birracial baby & my grandparents are racists. I've gotten hate on both sides, white people looking down on my man to a point where, when we go out, he covers every inch of skin so nobody can see his colour. He says he wants them to see him as a person, not a colour, but it makes me feel so sad that he feels he MUST do this to be accepted. It hurts. We went to a dance and I got looks from girls who have actually gone as far as threatening and attempting to beat me up for "stealing their men" why does skin colour matter so much? Maybe I don't understand because I come from a multicultural family (older sister biracial, aunt chinese, great grandmother Métis) but I don't see why skin colour matters so much...
I don't see why anyone should have to stay within their own race for dating. I am a caucasian female from Ukraine and i have dated white, black, asian, and hispanic men. what matters is how your interests and personalities match. forget the haters who are just jealous of your relationship!! My mother always has told me to stay in my race, as Ukrainian culture says, but I have seen that as I have grown up, I have realized other races of men have the qualities i desire, not just white men, in fact a lot of times white men don't keep me interested! I say explore the different races and see what attracts you and keeps you interested. not everybody from the same race acts/thinks the same way.
I come from a family that has about 20 diffrent races, cultures, and religions. I am 37 and was taught with the rest of my family to be color blind. To dig deaper and look at a persons soul and see them for who they are. Not for the Material things that would tear people apart but for what they have inside to offer a relationship that can sustain it just as you should look at yourself. Thats what I was taught keeps a relationship together no matter what race, color, religion, etc.  


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